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SteveC
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  #2526897 22-Jul-2020 09:46
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sansom: ...(very big snip)... The only reason we can offer any cloud recordings at all is because this setup simulates the user experience of having a local hard disk recording process (which is allowed due to the famous "Betamax" copyright case in the USA), and even then some studios don't allow it on certain programmes.

Just had a look at a view of this case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc.
Mind boggles regarding where we would be if this case had been won by the studios. Even as things are, if we can't find a show we want on VTV, our teenager is offering to find a copy to download.
Is there a simple answer, @sansom, as to why rights owners are so restrictive (IMHO) over allowing 'recording' of streamed content on VTV when the same content can be recorded locally on a range of devices if received via broadcast? In our case, their behaviour encourages use to save content on the T-Box, which could be available until the box dies, or on MythTV where it is an MP4 that we can keep forever. I'd have thought they would see the writing on the wall and want to make it easier for us to be able to retrospectively watch something with the controls available on VTV.
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  #2527070 22-Jul-2020 13:04
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https://qz.com/273587/the-cloud-dvr-is-going-mainstream-before-anyone-knows-if-its-legal/

 


Note Aereo lost their case. There would be uncertainty how a court case would go, and if lost they would probably lose the current cooperation get at present. Costly court Battle with high risks.

 

More detail on the Aereo one:

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/11/7/18073200/aereo

 

 


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  #2527485 22-Jul-2020 21:59
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Interesting thanks @rugrat! Found some other interesting articles at https://qz.com too.



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  #2527604 23-Jul-2020 10:19
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SteveC:
sansom: ...(very big snip)... The only reason we can offer any cloud recordings at all is because this setup simulates the user experience of having a local hard disk recording process (which is allowed due to the famous "Betamax" copyright case in the USA), and even then some studios don't allow it on certain programmes.

Just had a look at a view of this case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc.
Mind boggles regarding where we would be if this case had been won by the studios. Even as things are, if we can't find a show we want on VTV, our teenager is offering to find a copy to download.
Is there a simple answer, @sansom, as to why rights owners are so restrictive (IMHO) over allowing 'recording' of streamed content on VTV when the same content can be recorded locally on a range of devices if received via broadcast? In our case, their behaviour encourages use to save content on the T-Box, which could be available until the box dies, or on MythTV where it is an MP4 that we can keep forever. I'd have thought they would see the writing on the wall and want to make it easier for us to be able to retrospectively watch something with the controls available on VTV.
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Hi @SteveC, the mind does boggle. 

 

My attempt at a simple answer is: the copyright owners have the right to control who can copy, and they naturally don't want anyone to record or timeshift their content unless they've expressly allowed it.  The Sony v Universal case has carved out the one exception to copyright holders right, being that any individual can record broadcast content for personal use.   However, Vodafone is not an individual person, and we do not record to the cloud DVR for personal use, and so we must obtain recording rights from the copyright owners (via the channels).





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  #2527845 23-Jul-2020 16:10
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@sansom ... regarding 'recordings', how does one delete the show after viewing it?, or does it disappear from the selections after a specific time?


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  #2527873 23-Jul-2020 17:56
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Rickles:

 

@sansom ... regarding 'recordings', how does one delete the show after viewing it?, or does it disappear from the selections after a specific time?

 

 

 

 

You need to go to the Recordings section in My TV to delete it.  





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First of all, I'd like to congratulate you Vodafone NZ team for a great job on this great little device. I have now two of them running with an overall good performance. 

 

One thing that I noticed lately is that a good percentage of the BRAVO programs and some good movies on the THREE channel cannot be rewinded if you are late. With freview, you could always go to the +1 respective channels to at least be able to watch them from the begining. With Vodafone TV unfortunately there is no way.

 

Are there any plans to include those channels (THREE +1 and BRAVO +1) anytime soon? It would be greatly appreciated by my family :)

 

Thanks!


 
 
 

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  #2530047 28-Jul-2020 13:09
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Does anyone have a suggestion to resolve a message which appears in the top right corner of my tv screen approx every 30 seconds saying “Your Vodafone Tv is connected”.

It’s connected via Ethernet directly to my router, been flawless to date. This is the first time I’ve experienced an issue.

Even though this message is appearing, the tv feed is uninterrupted?


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  #2530053 28-Jul-2020 13:14
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gmball: Does anyone have a suggestion to resolve a message which appears in the top right corner of my tv screen approx every 30 seconds saying “Your Vodafone Tv is connected”.

It’s connected via Ethernet directly to my router, been flawless to date. This is the first time I’ve experienced an issue.

Even though this message is appearing, the tv feed is uninterrupted?

 

 

 

I am getting this also. Its not an issue from our end.


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  #2530074 28-Jul-2020 13:32
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stenknz:

gmball: Does anyone have a suggestion to resolve a message which appears in the top right corner of my tv screen approx every 30 seconds saying “Your Vodafone Tv is connected”.

It’s connected via Ethernet directly to my router, been flawless to date. This is the first time I’ve experienced an issue.

Even though this message is appearing, the tv feed is uninterrupted?


 


I am getting this also. Its not an issue from our end.



Great thanks, I won’t go changing anything my end then. Hopefully will be fixed in due course.

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  #2530088 28-Jul-2020 13:54
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@sansom sorry it has taken a while to get back you. As requested I have changed the network connected from the previously recommended Wifi to wire ethernet via cat 6.5 to a gigabit port on the Orcon router. My son changed the HDMI cable to the cable supplied. I am still experiencing freezes, black screen and pixelation on some recordings and channels. Most notable on TV2, Prime and Discovery Turbo.


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  #2530210 28-Jul-2020 15:58
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gmball: Does anyone have a suggestion to resolve a message which appears in the top right corner of my tv screen approx every 30 seconds saying “Your Vodafone Tv is connected”.

It’s connected via Ethernet directly to my router, been flawless to date. This is the first time I’ve experienced an issue.

Even though this message is appearing, the tv feed is uninterrupted?

 

Hi, this was a platform issue that was fixed at 1:53pm.   you should not be seeing it now?





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  #2530211 28-Jul-2020 16:00
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sansom:

 

Hi, this was a platform issue that was fixed at 1:53pm.   you should not be seeing it now?

 

 

 

 

While I'm not the original poster, just checked my box and message appears to not be showing up! (ie the fix worked)


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  #2530212 28-Jul-2020 16:01
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MikeB4:

 

@sansom sorry it has taken a while to get back you. As requested I have changed the network connected from the previously recommended Wifi to wire ethernet via cat 6.5 to a gigabit port on the Orcon router. My son changed the HDMI cable to the cable supplied. I am still experiencing freezes, black screen and pixelation on some recordings and channels. Most notable on TV2, Prime and Discovery Turbo.

 

 

Hi @MikeB4, OK thanks, plot thickens.  I've asked @zollymonsta to get in touch as this now requires his extra expertise. 





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  #2530221 28-Jul-2020 16:04
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orsonguels:

 

First of all, I'd like to congratulate you Vodafone NZ team for a great job on this great little device. I have now two of them running with an overall good performance. 

 

One thing that I noticed lately is that a good percentage of the BRAVO programs and some good movies on the THREE channel cannot be rewinded if you are late. With freview, you could always go to the +1 respective channels to at least be able to watch them from the begining. With Vodafone TV unfortunately there is no way.

 

Are there any plans to include those channels (THREE +1 and BRAVO +1) anytime soon? It would be greatly appreciated by my family :)

 

Thanks!

 

 

Thanks for the positive feedback!  If the freeview programmes all had catchup then there wouldn't be any need for (and cost of supporting) the +1 channels.  However, I take your point on Bravo & Three rights.  We'll have a look at this.





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