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#2136344 29-Nov-2018 00:03

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Would it provide better coverage than the old 025 network though? Yes I know they are different technologies...but man, you could get 025 (or paging) coverage almost anywhere.

Paging is in a world of its own... 157mhz iirc? I recall my 025 signal being pretty trash... By contrast there's a paging site basically in my back yard....

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#2136346 29-Nov-2018 00:09

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quickymart:

Would it provide better coverage than the old 025 network though? Yes I know they are different technologies...but man, you could get 025 (or paging) coverage almost anywhere.

Paging is in a world of its own... 157mhz iirc? I recall my 025 signal being pretty trash... By contrast there's a paging site basically in my back yard....

IIRC Norway, Sweden and Denmark upgraded their 450MHz from CDMA to LTE so it would be interesting to see what the coverage would be like if that spectrum was available in New Zealand. It's a bit of a shocker living near Naenae Intermediate and Spark is the only carrier who can deliver me a solid 4G signal - I could understand if I lived in the sticks but I'd hardly call Avalon-Naenae the sticks.

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#2136379 29-Nov-2018 07:31

I know, it just seems every time a new network is rolled out (in my experience anyway) the coverage footprint seems to get slightly smaller.

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#2136395 29-Nov-2018 08:14

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There are actually very few benefits in 600MHz for 5G - the benefits of 5G are in the mmWave band where a large chunk of spectrum is available. A 5G network in a 20MHz block of spectrum isn't really going to deliver much that 4G does right now.

It's rather incremental... but a bit of a gain..

Sure the air interface is more efficient, but for the average end user it's not going to make a big difference.

We're realistically 5 years away from 5G becoming mainstream - Spark aren't going to be able to do a lot in 2020 because even if they can build a mmWave network they won't have access to any 3.5Ghz until 2022 unless existing rights holders are willing to accept payouts to shutter their current networks.

There is still plenty of development occurring in the LTE space and LTE will still exist for many years to come. Examples that Simon Mouter used for the 5G network such as IoT just show a lack of understanding of the technology and how it will be used - cat m1 is far better suited to this.

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#2136480 29-Nov-2018 10:27

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There is still plenty of development occurring in the LTE space and LTE will still exist for many years to come. Examples that Simon Mouter used for the 5G network such as IoT just show a lack of understanding of the technology and how it will be used - cat m1 is far better suited to this.

Hush! they will ban hauwei from 4G gear too!

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#2136484 29-Nov-2018 10:32

hio77:

sbiddle:

There is still plenty of development occurring in the LTE space and LTE will still exist for many years to come. Examples that Simon Mouter used for the 5G network such as IoT just show a lack of understanding of the technology and how it will be used - cat m1 is far better suited to this.

Hush! they will ban hauwei from 4G gear too!

And existing 3G equipment. Watch out 2D.

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#2136502 29-Nov-2018 10:59

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hio77:
quickymart:

Would it provide better coverage than the old 025 network though? Yes I know they are different technologies...but man, you could get 025 (or paging) coverage almost anywhere.

Paging is in a world of its own... 157mhz iirc? I recall my 025 signal being pretty trash... By contrast there's a paging site basically in my back yard....

IIRC Norway, Sweden and Denmark upgraded their 450MHz from CDMA to LTE so it would be interesting to see what the coverage would be like if that spectrum was available in New Zealand. It's a bit of a shocker living near Naenae Intermediate and Spark is the only carrier who can deliver me a solid 4G signal - I could understand if I lived in the sticks but I'd hardly call Avalon-Naenae the sticks.

Based on your location you're about 300m away from Vodafone, potentially only 200m or so from a 2degrees sites and about 400m away from a Spark site.

I'm just over 2km from the same Vodafone site and don't have direct LoS coverage and still have -110dBm LTE indoors that I can get over 50Mbps on a speedtest. 2degrees is better because it's better LoS and doesn't have the same multipath issues because of the hill.

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#2136526 29-Nov-2018 11:33

ajw:

And existing 3G equipment. Watch out 2D.

Most of sparks 3G Gear is the same.

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#2136545 29-Nov-2018 11:46

hio77:
ajw:

And existing 3G equipment. Watch out 2D.

Most of sparks 3G Gear is the same.

Yep ALU hardware was swapped out and Nokia now owns ALU

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#2136548 29-Nov-2018 11:49

I note Samsung is also a vendor of 4G products and recently supplied kit to Jio in India.

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#2136648 29-Nov-2018 15:23

hio77:
quickymart:

Would it provide better coverage than the old 025 network though? Yes I know they are different technologies...but man, you could get 025 (or paging) coverage almost anywhere.

Paging is in a world of its own... 157mhz iirc? I recall my 025 signal being pretty trash... By contrast there's a paging site basically in my back yard....

Don't know about being trash. It had a range a lot greater than GSM and in good conditions the speech was fantastic. In the last week of it's operation I pulled out an old Motorola Startak that still had money on it and marveled how good the speech was compared to my crappy work phone on the Vodafone GSM network.

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#2137798 1-Dec-2018 17:03

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matisyahu:

hio77:
quickymart:

Would it provide better coverage than the old 025 network though? Yes I know they are different technologies...but man, you could get 025 (or paging) coverage almost anywhere.

Paging is in a world of its own... 157mhz iirc? I recall my 025 signal being pretty trash... By contrast there's a paging site basically in my back yard....

IIRC Norway, Sweden and Denmark upgraded their 450MHz from CDMA to LTE so it would be interesting to see what the coverage would be like if that spectrum was available in New Zealand. It's a bit of a shocker living near Naenae Intermediate and Spark is the only carrier who can deliver me a solid 4G signal - I could understand if I lived in the sticks but I'd hardly call Avalon-Naenae the sticks.

Based on your location you're about 300m away from Vodafone, potentially only 200m or so from a 2degrees sites and about 400m away from a Spark site.

I'm just over 2km from the same Vodafone site and don't have direct LoS coverage and still have -110dBm LTE indoors that I can get over 50Mbps on a speedtest. 2degrees is better because it's better LoS and doesn't have the same multipath issues because of the hill.

I could get 'one dot' on my iPhone for 4G but 9/10 it would be in 3G mode; 2 Degrees were marginally better but most of the time it would fall back to 3G. Both Vodafone and 2 Degrees have a phobia about using 700MHz - they've bought the licence so why not take advantage of it?

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#2137799 1-Dec-2018 17:08

matisyahu:
sbiddle:

matisyahu:

hio77:
quickymart:

Would it provide better coverage than the old 025 network though? Yes I know they are different technologies...but man, you could get 025 (or paging) coverage almost anywhere.

Paging is in a world of its own... 157mhz iirc? I recall my 025 signal being pretty trash... By contrast there's a paging site basically in my back yard....

IIRC Norway, Sweden and Denmark upgraded their 450MHz from CDMA to LTE so it would be interesting to see what the coverage would be like if that spectrum was available in New Zealand. It's a bit of a shocker living near Naenae Intermediate and Spark is the only carrier who can deliver me a solid 4G signal - I could understand if I lived in the sticks but I'd hardly call Avalon-Naenae the sticks.

Based on your location you're about 300m away from Vodafone, potentially only 200m or so from a 2degrees sites and about 400m away from a Spark site.

I'm just over 2km from the same Vodafone site and don't have direct LoS coverage and still have -110dBm LTE indoors that I can get over 50Mbps on a speedtest. 2degrees is better because it's better LoS and doesn't have the same multipath issues because of the hill.

I could get 'one dot' on my iPhone for 4G but 9/10 it would be in 3G mode; 2 Degrees were marginally better but most of the time it would fall back to 3G. Both Vodafone and 2 Degrees have a phobia about using 700MHz - they've bought the licence so why not take advantage of it?

We seem to be repeating ourselves over and over again on this subject with you

The carriers are deploying 700Mhz 4G VodafoneNZ do a number of new sites every week and can be viewed on the VodafoneNZ community

So they are taking advantage of it and have been for a number of years

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#2137800 1-Dec-2018 17:09

2degrees is also deploying Band8 900Mhz LTE

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#2137833 1-Dec-2018 17:26

Linux:

We seem to be repeating ourselves over and over again on this subject with you

The carriers are deploying 700Mhz 4G VodafoneNZ do a number of new sites every week and can be viewed on the VodafoneNZ community

So they are taking advantage of it and have been for a number of years

John

Think end users have just been blessed by Sparks network where L1800+ L700 is a basic deployment.

only the very very early 4G deployments didn't have L700 straight away with it.

by contrast VF have lacked behind here.

2D with their reframing to B8 is nice to see, they seem to have a pretty equal mix of L900 and L700 in lowband deployments

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