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  #2593256 29-Oct-2020 13:09
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Lias:

 

No mention of Kapiti in this, but it seems very likely it was the same outage.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/300144325/cut-cable-leaves-vodafone-customers-in-wellington-without-internet

 

What baffles me is how a cable cut impacted two suburbs out in the Hutt, Wadestown and apparently Kapiti but not other suburbs. Genuinely curious if any of our resident Chorus / Vodafone / general Telco gurus can explain.

 

 

The most obvious guess (which may or may not actually be correct answer as I know nothing more about the outager) is that customers are load balanced across multiple BNG's and that this outage affected customers connected to one of these.

 

 

Starting to get way out of my depth here and stretch some old Cisco classroom reading material but here goes nothing lol.

 

If I understand correctly, my ONT connects back to an OLT, which in turn connects back to a BNG and the BNG in turn connects to all the ISP's that have paid chorus for access, and things are tunnnelled so that the ISP is providing the DHCP lease etc? So if I understand that correctly, and your hypothesis correctly, a bunch of OLT's in widely scattered suburbs were all connected to a single BNG back in a central location (Wellington "Exchange"/POP or similar?)

 

I'm still struggling then to understand how a single cable cut causes the outage? Given it only impacted Vodafone customers it would almost have to be an issue between the BNG and Vodafone wouldn't it, and surely there'd carrier type equivalents of the sort of link redundancy, multiple paths, failover routing etc between that central BNG and Vodafone? 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2597026 3-Nov-2020 13:44
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Lias:

 

No mention of Kapiti in this, but it seems very likely it was the same outage.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/300144325/cut-cable-leaves-vodafone-customers-in-wellington-without-internet

 

What baffles me is how a cable cut impacted two suburbs out in the Hutt, Wadestown and apparently Kapiti but not other suburbs. Genuinely curious if any of our resident Chorus / Vodafone / general Telco gurus can explain.

 

 

Late to the party but the info I saw indicated that the Wadestown/Karori HFC and Paraparumu UFB outages, along with 2G/3G degredation at Wilton were all related to the fibre cut; and the Naenae/Waterloo HFC outages were unrelated and caused by local power outages.





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  #2597027 3-Nov-2020 13:46
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konfusd:

 

Lias:

 

No mention of Kapiti in this, but it seems very likely it was the same outage.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/300144325/cut-cable-leaves-vodafone-customers-in-wellington-without-internet

 

What baffles me is how a cable cut impacted two suburbs out in the Hutt, Wadestown and apparently Kapiti but not other suburbs. Genuinely curious if any of our resident Chorus / Vodafone / general Telco gurus can explain.

 

 

Late to the party but the info I saw indicated that the Wadestown/Karori HFC and Paraparumu UFB outages, along with 2G/3G degredation at Wilton were all related to the fibre cut; and the Naenae/Waterloo HFC outages were unrelated and caused by local power outages.

 

 

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hio77: can't beat the old spade failure ;)

 

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  #2597169 3-Nov-2020 16:46
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konfusd:

 

Lias:

 

No mention of Kapiti in this, but it seems very likely it was the same outage.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/300144325/cut-cable-leaves-vodafone-customers-in-wellington-without-internet

 

What baffles me is how a cable cut impacted two suburbs out in the Hutt, Wadestown and apparently Kapiti but not other suburbs. Genuinely curious if any of our resident Chorus / Vodafone / general Telco gurus can explain.

 

 

Late to the party but the info I saw indicated that the Wadestown/Karori HFC and Paraparumu UFB outages, along with 2G/3G degredation at Wilton were all related to the fibre cut; and the Naenae/Waterloo HFC outages were unrelated and caused by local power outages.

 

 

Good to know, but even taking the Hutt our of the equations I'm still scratching my head as to how a single fibre cut impacts HFC in two closeish suburbs,  2g/3g nearby(ish) and UFB 50km away, but nothing else.. 





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  #2597192 3-Nov-2020 18:00
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Lias:

konfusd:



Late to the party but the info I saw indicated that the Wadestown/Karori HFC and Paraparumu UFB outages, along with 2G/3G degredation at Wilton were all related to the fibre cut; and the Naenae/Waterloo HFC outages were unrelated and caused by local power outages.



Good to know, but even taking the Hutt our of the equations I'm still scratching my head as to how a single fibre cut impacts HFC in two closeish suburbs,  2g/3g nearby(ish) and UFB 50km away, but nothing else.. 



Purhaps a sign of how poor Vodafones (TCL actually) investment in backbone infrastructure is.

Ever driven over the pikok hill then over the harwards, if you follow the power poles you will see a desperate amateur effort at a fibre backhaul that looks decidedly 3rd world, guess who owns it.

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  #2597273 3-Nov-2020 20:26
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Ever driven over the pikok hill then over the harwards, if you follow the power poles you will not a desperate amateur effort at a fibre backhaul that looks decidedly 3rd world, guess who owns it.

Cyril

 

I drive that way to work every day (well every day I don't WFH).. I shall have to keep an eye out lol.





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