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jesterpaul
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  #501066 2-Aug-2011 21:58
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No, the problem is that pieces of crap like the conklin should have been scrapped many many years ago, but that never happened because telecom would have been hanging onto it for as long as possible with that obsolete underperforming kit on the hope that the govt would come along with a massive cheque and pay to have something better and flasher put in, which will slowly happen as we get the bribe from the last election rolled out.



Agreed that is the biggest problem. Although in this case, to be fair to Chorus Huia is 16 Kilometres from the nearest real suburban telephone exchange and only has a population in the hundreds, so anything at all is a miracle. What's more there is a plan to get Fibre rolled out to here by end of 2012, so eventually we will join the modern age.

It is also a bit of an ask to expect all  sales staff from all other ISPs to understand the equipment situation everywhere, but I do think that ISPs should make some effort to identify (heat maps?) where infrastructure is inadequate for the benefit of consumers signing up.




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  #501900 4-Aug-2011 13:30
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A few points to clarify


- The Commerce commission decides what exchanges are rural and what are not based upon the amount of houses connected to them. This means an exchange on the out skirts of an area could be called rural when its still urban - because it has less than X lines coming off of it.


- The commerce commision set the price for the copper pairs and services for lines running out of a 'rural' exchange. It costs vodafone about $20 more per month to rent the copper pair between the 'rural' exchange and a house compared to an urban exchange and a house attached to it.


- This makes the business decision that a $70 or $80 naked dsl and voip phone plan uneconomical from the exchanges classed as rural.

For example. 
The town of Wairoa is classed as rural, even though it has 5000 people living in it. So it is not very economical to unbundle this exchange because each copper pair to each house costs more to rent than other places.


The list of urban and rural exchanges is in the link people have posted above. I think its at the bottom of the PDF




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  #501927 4-Aug-2011 14:37
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This is kind of annoying.

The list at the bottom of the commerce commission document makes no mention of Taupo, yet there are people in Taupo getting naked BB. So it still leads me to question how some get the service while some do not.

Seems strange that "OMO OMOKOROA" gets on the list of exchanges when Taupo is significantly larger. That one jumped out at me as I used to live not too far from there and it is not a big place.






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  #501929 4-Aug-2011 14:42
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Some ISPs will offer naked on the expensive rural exchanges with the $ premim passed onto the customer. Its not really any better than paying for the obsolete technology an adding internet however.




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  #501948 4-Aug-2011 15:26
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raytaylor: The Commerce commission decides what exchanges are rural and what are not based upon the amount of houses connected to them.

Lines or broadband connections? WHK is classed as rural but the latest numbers I've seen (which were a couple of years old) listed 5500 broadband connections here. The number of phone lines must be higher.

Does anyone know what the cutoff is?

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