Is there simply no way to recycle sim card?

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#62775 4-Mar-2007 23:31

cranz: I believe there is a cool down period. plus the recycling process is hardly instant..

I was told subsequently after waiting for the call back that its pretty much instant I guess thats what happens when you automate to the point of not being able to have any human intervention.

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#62776 4-Mar-2007 23:31

mclayma: ...and not loose their number or their hard earned money (credit)

These are two seperate things, credit expiry and access expiry

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#62778 4-Mar-2007 23:33

cranz:
mclayma: ...and not loose their number or their hard earned money (credit)

These are two seperate things, credit expiry and access expiry

Um Ill think you will see that consumers ( as in myself) do not make that distinction.

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#62779 4-Mar-2007 23:34

I meant the whole process, I would be highly surprised if you could find your recently disconnected mobile number in a store within 3 months.

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#62780 4-Mar-2007 23:34

cranz:

These are two seperate things, credit expiry and access expiry

Yup, but as customer point of view, it would be same cause it got same 12month period for old(and existing) prepay plans.

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#62781 4-Mar-2007 23:35

johnr: Once the number has gone in the recycle pool you can't pull out a single number!

I don't mean to single you out, John, but I wish the various defenders of Vodafone on this thread would stop acting like this is a technological impossibility. I'm sure that the more you ask around, the closer you'll come to the conclusion that the reason numbers can't be rescued in this fashion is that Vodafone has decided that they would rather take a calculated risk and annoy the odd customer than offer a service that might actually be of some benefit.

Hell, if I lost a number in this fashion, I'd be willing to pay several hundred dollars to get it back, because that's the cost of me reprinting and redistributing my contact details. Is 15 minutes of an engineer's time worth more than that sum? Unlikely.

Why are an apparently increasing number of companies so restrictive, when they could be so enabling?

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#62782 4-Mar-2007 23:37

CrispinMullins:
johnr: Once the number has gone in the recycle pool you can't pull out a single number!

I don't mean to single you out, John, but I wish the various defenders of Vodafone on this thread would stop acting like this is a technological impossibility. I'm sure that the more you ask around, the closer you'll come to the conclusion that the reason numbers can't be rescued in this fashion is that Vodafone has decided that they would rather take a calculated risk and annoy the odd customer than offer a service that might actually be of some benefit.

Hell, if I lost a number in this fashion, I'd be willing to pay several hundred dollars to get it back, because that's the cost of me reprinting and redistributing my contact details. Is 15 minutes of an engineers' time worth more than that sum? Unlikely.

Why are an apparently increasing number of companies so restrictive, when they could be so enabling?

Well Put Crsipin and in fact I did offer that sort of sum of money.

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#62783 4-Mar-2007 23:37

johnr:
CrispinMullins:
freitasm: Surely having a policy to wait a couple of months before reusing a number wouldn't hurt Vodafone?

In 2000, at least, there was a policy on this: Disconnected numbers would not be recycled for at least 90 days.

I am quite sure it still is for prepay numbers but once its deactivated due to non top up in 12 months it sits in the number recycling pool

A cooling down period would see the number being deactivated after 12 months, and not reused for another couple of months, available for the previous owner to reclaim it.

What you are describing is not a cooling down period at all.

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#62784 4-Mar-2007 23:39

freitasm:
johnr:
CrispinMullins:
freitasm: Surely having a policy to wait a couple of months before reusing a number wouldn't hurt Vodafone?

In 2000, at least, there was a policy on this: Disconnected numbers would not be recycled for at least 90 days.

I am quite sure it still is for prepay numbers but once its deactivated due to non top up in 12 months it sits in the number recycling pool

A cooling down period would see the number being deactivated after 12 months, and not reused for another couple of months, available for the previous owner to reclaim it.

What you are describing is not a cooling down period at all.

I can see this process getting even messier when MNP ( mobile number portabilty ) comes in on the 1st of April Im sure there will be loads of dead SIM cards that will be unable to be recycled.

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#62785 4-Mar-2007 23:56

mclayma:

I can see this process getting even messier when MNP ( mobile number portabilty ) comes in on the 1st of April Im sure there will be loads of dead SIM cards that will be unable to be recycled.

wow I didn't expect MNP is coming to NZ..

I wish at least vodafone collect those dead simcards to make something useful(copper is very expensive materials nowadays) rather than wasted, I don't think any of people would throw dead simcards to recycle bin.

anyway, MNP on the market where only 2 players with un-interchangeable devices... what a bloody battle it will be?

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#62786 4-Mar-2007 23:58

Number portability was announced years ago, and is coming 1st April. It's not for mobile only, but for landlines, VoIP, etc.

You are wrong thinking of mobile only. It shows that you need to update your current knowledge of the local telco market. I recommend you read some of the blogs on Geekzone and check our forums more - for example the WorldExchange forum has calls for beta testers...

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#62788 5-Mar-2007 00:03

I have had the misfortune to buy a sim card that had a recycled number on it. And it was very active getting calls for the previous user of the number. Seems that it was active just a few months before I got it based on the number of people calling about "important financial matters"

Also, who knows what the deal is with 7 and 8 digit numbers? Last lot of cards I got I got an 8 digit number accidentally in the 021 2567-8xxx range, yet another one I got in the same range was 7 digits. How long has this being happening for?

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#62789 5-Mar-2007 00:05

freitasm: Number portability was announced years ago, and is coming 1st April. It's not for mobile only, but for landlines, VoIP, etc.

You are wrong thinking of mobile only. It shows that you need to update your current knowledge of the local telco market. I recommend you read some of the blogs on Geekzone and check our forums more - for example the WorldExchange forum has calls for beta testers...

as far as I experienced the number exchange things in other countries, mobile market segment is what real battle comes to play(for customer), because customer simply doesn't much care who service their network as long as its cheap and not need to change its hardware.

anyway i really do need to update my idea of what is really going on.. too much time on baby sitting i guess.. stand still university lab doesn't give me a news either...

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#62790 5-Mar-2007 00:06

richms: I have had the misfortune to buy a sim card that had a recycled number on it. And it was very active getting calls for the previous user of the number. Seems that it was active just a few months before I got it based on the number of people calling about "important financial matters"

Also, who knows what the deal is with 7 and 8 digit numbers? Last lot of cards I got I got an 8 digit number accidentally in the 021 2567-8xxx range, yet another one I got in the same range was 7 digits. How long has this being happening for?

"important financial matters" ha ha thing is my old number that I lost was always used whne I was dealing with Important financial matters. Its taken me a long time to update contact data with different business's that had my details the whole process has left me with "lemon mouth"

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#62791 5-Mar-2007 00:08

Shin:
freitasm: Number portability was announced years ago, and is coming 1st April. It's not for mobile only, but for landlines, VoIP, etc.

You are wrong thinking of mobile only. It shows that you need to update your current knowledge of the local telco market. I recommend you read some of the blogs on Geekzone and check our forums more - for example the WorldExchange forum has calls for beta testers...

as far as I experienced the number exchange things in other countries, mobile market segment is what real battle comes to play(for customer), because customer simply doesn't much care who service their network as long as its cheap and not need to change its hardware.

anyway i really do need to update my idea of what is really going on.. too much time on baby sitting i guess.. stand still university lab doesn't give me a news either...

Not quite Shin most markets that have implemented MNP have had very little churn as the providers generally "step up" The one market where there was an all out war was Hong Kong this was driven by an all out price war which saw the companies involved loose substansial amounts of $$$.

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