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#129264 8-May-2008 00:14

simon14: I wouldn't change to this plan as i like to actually sleep during the night.

Windows has a programme called task scheduler which you can set a time for a specific task to start. Why not set your task scheduler to start a torrent programme at 12.00am thats of course if you do download using a torrent programme and then you can go to bed whenever you want knowing that your download will start at 12.00am

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#129265 8-May-2008 00:18

I'm seriously considering it, as I've got another box I could set up, ssh into and get it to just wget the things I need between 12 - 8. Just not sure about the waste of power of having that more or less always on.

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#129266 8-May-2008 00:18

brucie44:
insane:

I wonder why they dont simply ask these heavy users to leave xnet altogether as surly there must be some provision for this in the T&C. Maybe they were desperatly trying to be 'nice' or a large percentage of their customrs are causing them head aches.

I guess only time will tell.

so you turn away customers who want to buy more of your product (volume of data) ????

maybe they should get shot of anyone who uses less than 20 GB/month

Hehe, ok maybe I didnt explain myself all to well in my previous post :)

Users who download 400Gb or so a month cost the IPS one hell of a lot of $$ specially when the data is international traffic..., far more than they make out of data charges + plan fees. Luckily not all users are heavy users and therefore it balances itself out to some degree. Anyone remember Orcon unlimited broadband??

What I was suggesting is that these really really obsessivly high users be delt with in an appropriate manner. If 1 person is affecting the services of many others then its not exactally fair to allow a minority to cause troubles affecting your quality of service for the majority despite getting a large number of $$ from them (note, not nessessarily profit).

You can make new plans to try make these high end users have less impact on others (just as Xnet have wisely done), but you have to change their downlaoding habbits or 'loose' the customer to resolve the issue.

Same goes for the customers who end up costing more to sopport than you make off them as they call your helpdesk 5 times a week for pointless issues.

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#129268 8-May-2008 00:24

kfella2000:
simon14: I wouldn't change to this plan as i like to actually sleep during the night.

Windows has a programme called task scheduler which you can set a time for a specific task to start. Why not set your task scheduler to start a torrent programme at 12.00am thats of course if you do download using a torrent programme and then you can go to bed whenever you want knowing that your download will start at 12.00am

Better than that, uTorrent has a scheduler built in, you just enable it, tell it to turn off all traffic outside the hours of 12am and 8am, and it also has auto-shutdown options, you can have it do 5 different things when it finishes, including turning your pc off.

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#129271 8-May-2008 01:19

insane:

Hehe, ok maybe I didnt explain myself all to well in my previous post :)

Users who download 400Gb or so a month cost the IPS one hell of a lot of $$ specially when the data is international traffic..., far more than they make out of data charges + plan fees. Luckily not all users are heavy users and therefore it balances itself out to some degree. Anyone remember Orcon unlimited broadband??

I think XNET would be happy with a Cheque every month for $469.95 every month if I was using 400GB a month. Thats the difference between XNET and all these other places, like Go Large, which charged a far too low unlimited usage charge.

Any scarce resource with a fixed price model applied to it ends in tears.

... And before people start jumping up and down, 3am bandwidth is *NOT* a scarce resource!

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#129272 8-May-2008 01:51

insane:

Hehe, ok maybe I didnt explain myself all to well in my previous post :)

Users who download 400Gb or so a month cost the IPS one hell of a lot of $$ specially when the data is international traffic..., far more than they make out of data charges + plan fees. Luckily not all users are heavy users and therefore it balances itself out to some degree. Anyone remember Orcon unlimited broadband??

What I was suggesting is that these really really obsessivly high users be delt with in an appropriate manner. If 1 person is affecting the services of many others then its not exactally fair to allow a minority to cause troubles affecting your quality of service for the majority despite getting a large number of $$ from them (note, not nessessarily profit).

You can make new plans to try make these high end users have less impact on others (just as Xnet have wisely done), but you have to change their downlaoding habbits or 'loose' the customer to resolve the issue.

Same goes for the customers who end up costing more to sopport than you make off them as they call your helpdesk 5 times a week for pointless issues.

Yet you persist with your ignorance.

Heavy users don't cost ISP's lots of money, they make them lots of money...as pointed out by exportgoldman...

The issue is currently having too many users consuming bandwidth at the same time, during 'peak hours'...that is the cause of poor service/slow speeds at times...this is what xnet are trying to address with their new plan.

If a ISP provides an 'unlimited' plan, then the users who sign up for it and consume massive amounts of data are not abusing it, they signed up for such plan for exactly that reason and are entitled to consume as much as they want.

It is up to the ISP to set the quota limits that make their plans profitable...thats just simple business practice...you dont sell a product below cost (with some exceptions)

These large bandwidth consumers are not people to be 'dealt with', they are extremely profitable customers...but they can be 'managed', and offering them incentives to consume their bandwidth during off-peak hours is what will help the congestion at peak times/slow speeds etc, so beneficial for all.

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#129294 8-May-2008 09:20

TheBartender: These large bandwidth consumers are not people to be 'dealt with', they are extremely profitable customers...but they can be 'managed', and offering them incentives to consume their bandwidth during off-peak hours is what will help the congestion at peak times/slow speeds etc, so beneficial for all.

2 points here:

- We don't know the full story as to whether large bandwidth customers are "extremely profitable" or not. I haven't seen any ISP advertising their plans by saying welcome to those who consume 400GB or more as has been discussed above. Rather, they end up being "managed" either by traffic throttling or by being dumped into a low-bandwidth pool or by having the rules changed so they can only download xxGB per day/month/between certain times/whatever. This leads me to believe that such users are a loss-making proposition for any ISP.

- Xnet have done a smart thing IMO by offering this new plan with incentives for heavy users to reschedule their downloads. But will it be enough? Only time will tell I guess. Last night I again tried to stream some YouTube videos but the download rate was only 160kbps which is completely hopeless. Others had reported an increase in speed, but I'm certainly not seeing it here

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#129301 8-May-2008 09:48

insane: Users who download 400Gb or so a month cost the IPS one hell of a lot of $$ specially when the data is international traffic..., far more than they make out of data charges + plan fees. Luckily not all users are heavy users and therefore it balances itself out to some degree. Anyone remember Orcon unlimited broadband??

Who ever said ISP's pay for the data put through their connections?

It is my understanding that international links sold directly to ISP's are sold in Mbps allotments.
Therefore having 10Mbps not used midnight till 8am is not using the resource effectively.

So therefore if you download 24/7 then 2/3rds of your data on the new plan is charged a $1.54 pGB

100GBpm x 2/3 66.6 GB x $1.54 = $102.67

Or on the old plan

100GBpm x $1.02 = $102

How does this loose XNET money?

Hmmmm

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#129334 8-May-2008 12:09

Better than that, uTorrent has a scheduler built in, you just enable it, tell it to turn off all traffic outside the hours of 12am and 8am, and it also has auto-shutdown options, you can have it do 5 different things when it finishes, including turning your pc off.

Ive tried Utorrents scheduler... is a bit hit and miss, Ive come in at times when it should be off, to find it quite happily leeching away. But yeah, its easy enough to whip up some sort of task schedule/cron job :)

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#129342 8-May-2008 12:35

Just a disclaimer again, I have not been put on said plan, I was simply notified of its existance. It's not available till mid May.

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#129354 8-May-2008 13:31

grant_k: - We don't know the full story as to whether large bandwidth customers are "extremely profitable" or not. I haven't seen any ISP advertising their plans by saying welcome to those who consume 400GB or more as has been discussed above. Rather, they end up being "managed" either by traffic throttling or by being dumped into a low-bandwidth pool or by having the rules changed so they can only download xxGB per day/month/between certain times/whatever. This leads me to believe that such users are a loss-making proposition for any ISP.

And thats a fair statement

But one would theorize that a company has a product/service to sell, they take the known cost price, add COG's, and add their markup, thus giving them their profit. If ISP's are not doing this, and selling their product/service below cost/at a loss, then thats poor business and only they are to blame for that.

The reason for large downloaders being 'managed' is not to say they are unprofitable, it could be simply they consume the majority of bandwidth during peak hours, thus negatively affecting the experience for everyone, which is the case, hence them needing to be 'managed'.

grant_k: - Xnet have done a smart thing IMO by offering this new plan with incentives for heavy users to reschedule their downloads. But will it be enough? Only time will tell I guess. Last night I again tried to stream some YouTube videos but the download rate was only 160kbps which is completely hopeless. Others had reported an increase in speed, but I'm certainly not seeing it here

Yes I agree, but while its a start and has the potential to ease the peak hour bottleneck (for xnet users) thus make the experience more enjoyable for everyone, I still do have some reservations...

I do wonder if xnet will have underestimated the popularity of such a plan, and if they get many users signing up using massive amounts of data during the 'free' hours, will the plan turn out to be unprofitable (extremely), and lead to a similar uturn like the Go-Large and Woosh Orbit Flat Rate fiasco's?

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#129356 8-May-2008 13:37

There has certainly been a lot of interest on this thread, and it's only been active for one day. only time will tell, as it has been said already

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#129358 8-May-2008 13:47

- Xnet have done a smart thing IMO by offering this new plan with incentives for heavy users to reschedule their downloads. But will it be enough? Only time will tell I guess. Last night I again tried to stream some YouTube videos but the download rate was only 160kbps which is completely hopeless. Others had reported an increase in speed, but I'm certainly not seeing it here

not seeing an increase either... so over it

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#129376 8-May-2008 14:46

Midnight is a bit too early to start the open season on leeching imo, can't wait to be gaming at 12pm and be lagging to hell at 12.05pm. I would have thought 2am was a more appropriate start time?

I guess I'm biased because I work from ~9.30-10am till 6.00-6.30pm and thus tend to stay up later.

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#129386 8-May-2008 15:25

ex IHUG used to have what they called it grandfather plan which is peak/off peak 40G+40G for $80.

Later they changed the goal post regarding peak/off peak i.e it was first defined as 12.00 midnight to 8 a.m
then changed to 2.00a.m to 10 a.m.

Anyway when is this grand plan will be introduced?

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