patdude123: Its an interesting device alright - although I really would like to know what specific tipping point (e.g. 100 minutes vs 1000 minutes etc) would be classed as fair use....Looks like the NZ Herald has picked up on this... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10476254  does anyone know how many calls can be made before fair use kicks in?

johnr:

patdude123: Its an interesting device alright - although I really would like to know what specific tipping point (e.g. 100 minutes vs 1000 minutes etc) would be classed as fair use....Looks like the NZ Herald has picked up on this... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10476254  does anyone know how many calls can be made before fair use kicks in?

Its called common sense

Or false Advertising (again, and for once not Telecom :-)

Actually, if you read Paul Brislen's description of fair use, it's "...reference to average customer profiles..." meaning that there will always be people in excess of this policy.

It looks like Vodafone as doing a comcast and taking a average usage profile, cropping the top x% and calling this unreasonable usage, which as vodafone itself states is a customer unknown and non-published figure.

And for trying not to take this offtopic, this was discussed in the Woosh thread about unlimited plans, and my argument about ISP's ruining this for users, by thinking they can provide unlimited plans, and then finding out via their accounting departments they can't, and cutting off a whole bunch of customers... Looks like in six months time we will have this play out all over again with Vodafone @ Home.

Why is it so hard for Vodafone to state that Reasonable usage = x Minutes/Month???

Reasonable Use Policy

Telecom considers the use of more than 6,000 minutes per Talk It Up plan to be excessive and inconsistent with normal residential usage patterns.

PaulBrislen: As I just posted to Jama's blog:

I think you'll find most telcos include a fair use clause. As I recall it, Telecom will tell you you're not allowed to swear on the phone... OMG! It's not "unlimited".

You really are clutching at straws if  the only exception to Telecom's local calling clause is public decency.

PaulBrislen:

I think a fair use policy of "don't leave your connection open permanently" constitutes unlimited for just about every reasonable expectation of it. It's a voice-calling land line replacement, not an ISDN line.

I do to, problem is, that ISNT what you contract states, it states you take a rolling average of use, and then a certain (unpublished) number above that is dumped in the unlimited-but excessive catagory.

Like what comcast does in the states for broadband usage, no one knows the limit untill they are cut off - great system! 

Although I could still be fuming at your policy of prebuy 1GB = $50 post buy 1GB = $10240. Excellent price gorging. :-( I hit too many customers hit by this every week and have to explain Vodafone's policies to them.

cokemaster: Telecom considers the use of more than 6,000 minutes per Talk It Up plan to be excessive and inconsistent with normal residential usage patterns.