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#129390 8-May-2008 15:35

Mid may if you read the other thread.

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#129391 8-May-2008 15:37

its too late, im off to slingshot

look at this

http://forums.slingshot.co.nz/viewtopic.php?t=1414&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

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#129392 8-May-2008 15:39

Ninja1: its too late, im off to slingshot

look at this

http://forums.slingshot.co.nz/viewtopic.php?t=1414&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

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#129405 8-May-2008 16:04

ninjabear:

Everyone knows

It's been discussed here

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=81&TopicId=21087

1 month ago

You didn't read the thread.

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#129487 8-May-2008 20:38

cisconz:
insane: Users who download 400Gb or so a month cost the IPS one hell of a lot of $$ specially when the data is international traffic..., far more than they make out of data charges + plan fees. Luckily not all users are heavy users and therefore it balances itself out to some degree. Anyone remember Orcon unlimited broadband??

Who ever said ISP's pay for the data put through their connections?

It is my understanding that international links sold directly to ISP's are sold in Mbps allotments.
Therefore having 10Mbps not used midnight till 8am is not using the resource effectively.
....

It is my understanding that ISP's pay for data that transverses ISP's such as telecom and Tesltra as they do not freely peer with other ISPs, that alone equates to an awefull lot of national traffic.

eg one ISP found that running akami cache was costing more that it was benifitting its users as large amunts of traffic were going back into telecom's network. Telecom users were costing the other ISP money by simply downloading from it. ok maybe there is a way to ensure that only the isp's own users could make use of the service but that was an expample I was told.

If an ISP makes use of Glabal gateway... well thre goes some more $$...

You 2nd sentence is correct, and is why some ISP's provide hosting services or some other billable service to try make use of unused traffic. Idealy you wouldnt have a peak period and all usage would be constant but I'm yet to see a business model which can support that to the full extent.

ISP's make far less profit of ADSL than some may believe which is why so many ISPs offer tolls and other extra services to make some money as an awefull high percentage of the broadband price is in the port cost to telecom

- oh and has anyone noticed that the time stamp on thei post is wrong by a full day. looks like the forums is running 1 day behind.

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#129492 8-May-2008 20:41

At least Telecom no longer charges data by volume that is moved within their network, i.e. from the ADSL end user to the ISP.

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#129539 8-May-2008 22:38

Everyone is thinking about torrents, from what I've read in the discussions, but I can see so many more services that become economical now we have free nearly megabit national offpeak IP transit.

I've been thinking about streaming backups of servers across the net to a backup site, but the GB cost has always worked out more expensive than physically moving it offsite.

I'm actually not worried if the international IS slow offpeak, as national transit will be still be lighting quick.

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#129564 9-May-2008 01:06

insane: ISP's make far less profit of ADSL than some may believe which is why so many ISPs offer tolls and other extra services to make some money as an awefull high percentage of the broadband price is in the port cost to telecom

There is no argument that ISP companies need to compliment their core services, that may not be so profitable, with services that are more profitable...thats just good business practice.

But lets not be sympathetic here...these are businesses, out to make money. If they cant get their business model right, and don't know how to make a profit, then thats their fault, not the customers, and they deserve to fail.

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#129777 9-May-2008 21:45

TheBartender:
insane: ISP's make far less profit of ADSL than some may believe which is why so many ISPs offer tolls and other extra services to make some money as an awefull high percentage of the broadband price is in the port cost to telecom

There is no argument that ISP companies need to compliment their core services, that may not be so profitable, with services that are more profitable...thats just good business practice.

But lets not be sympathetic here...these are businesses, out to make money. If they cant get their business model right, and don't know how to make a profit, then thats their fault, not the customers, and they deserve to fail.

Oh for sure! I cant agree with that more. And the same fits for most businesses in any business sector. If there wasnt money to be made all investors would have pulled out a long time ago. Its just a bit sad that some ISP's create plans which are not sustainable (excluding where telecom change the rules beneeth ISPs), as this only creates havoc when things dont quite go to plan. I guess in a industry where technology changes so oftem product or plan life cyles become far shorter and its tougher to predict the future of the industry, specially when there is government regulation.

So, mid May for these plan aye.... This should be interesting.

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#129819 10-May-2008 09:58

Sounds great but im not to sure about what speeds you will get in the off peak time. funny i never got an email or a phone call from them and i user 80GiB+ a month all the time.

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I normally leech hard for a few days, 'use the materials' iv downloaded then download some more.
i guess i would attribute to the problem of using heaps of bandwidth dueing peek times cuz i just download
at the max speed xnet gives me for half the day.

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#129822 10-May-2008 10:16

dark.falcon: funny i never got an email or a phone call from them and i user 80GiB+ a month all the time.

If I was then, I would first contact the people that downloads a lot every day during peak times, not occasional heavy users, and then work my way down to the occasional ones. I would also start with a small trial group to make sure the billing system works ;-).

Last night I was able to watch YouTube with about 1 pause per minute, so it looks like things are getting better (and they have lost a couple of heavy users as well).

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#129824 10-May-2008 10:23

Niel:
dark.falcon: funny i never got an email or a phone call from them and i user 80GiB+ a month all the time.

If I was then, I would first contact the people that downloads a lot every day during peak times, not occasional heavy users, and then work my way down to the occasional ones. I would also start with a small trial group to make sure the billing system works ;-).

Last night I was able to watch YouTube with about 1 pause per minute, so it looks like things are getting better (and they have lost a couple of heavy users as well).

I think you will find going by what was said earlier in this thread that they only contacted the heavy users that put in a complaint about the international bandwidth issue.

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#130018 11-May-2008 14:08

Detruire:
ninjabear:

Everyone knows

It's been discussed here

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=81&TopicId=21087

1 month ago

You didn't read the thread.

um yea.my bad

adventdesigns

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#130220 12-May-2008 13:44

Heh that slingshot thing will come back and bite them in the butt if there not careful just like this traffic problem has for xnet, Offer something like that just to get people switching, everyone switches and they can't handle it. The ever repeating cycle...

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#130623 13-May-2008 16:56

Well it's approaching the middle of May.. any news?
Just read a thread about Slingshot doing something similar, along with cheap, never expiring data blocks(80c/GB).
Very attractive, if it does turn out to be true. Looking forward to seeing both offerings. But that Slingshot offer does look very tempting.

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