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Topic # 13297 2-May-2007 21:07
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Hey is anyone else out there running WLM Mobile on their Vodafone mobile (Any kind of mobile). I'm taking about the software by MIMM Interactive Co. Ltd.

Mine refuses to connect to the server and im trying to work out if it is a network issues, a device issue or a software issue.

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  Reply # 69402 3-May-2007 13:08
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freitasm: I am using Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile (Beta) and it connects fine...



Hmm I wonder if that is made by the same people. Vodafone won't help me because it is 'not a supported application'. Fair enough I guess, but it used to work fine.




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  Reply # 69408 3-May-2007 13:54
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All Windows Mobile devices come with MSN Messenger, and if you're on WLM for Mobile beta, you can run it too.




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Reply # 69410 3-May-2007 13:59
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Not all Windows Mobile devices come with MSN Messenger anymore. The Palm Treo doesn't, and a few others. It's up to the operators to determine if it is installed or not - if they think MSN Messenger will cut their SMS revenues it's more likely it is not to be installed.

That's probably why Vodafone doesn't really care if you can run MSN Messenger on your handset - they rather make $.20 each time you send an SMS, which in turn will require the other side to reply with another $.20 SMS. Data for MSN Messenger is too little to make up for the lost SMS revenue.





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  Reply # 69411 3-May-2007 14:01
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freitasm: I am using Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile (Beta) and it connects fine...



Hmm I wonder if that is made by the same people. Vodafone won't help me because it is 'not a supported application'. Fair enough I guess, but it used to work fine.


Where is the link to download the version you are using? I'll have a play on my phone.


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  Reply # 69478 4-May-2007 02:00
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freitasm:

That's probably why Vodafone doesn't really care if you can run MSN Messenger on your handset - they rather make $.20 each time you send an SMS, which in turn will require the other side to reply with another $.20 SMS. Data for MSN Messenger is too little to make up for the lost SMS revenue.



Hmm, how little?  I use that MSN program (the java one), and my impression of is that it does eat up quite a bit of data.  Can you possibly estimate about how much data it eats up in half an hour, moderate chats to say, 3 friends?

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Reply # 69490 4-May-2007 08:14
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Very little. Did you do the maths? 1MB (megabyte) over SMS costs NZ$ 1310.72. Each SMS is only 160 bytes, so if you ever had to type and send 1MB of messages, it's much cheaper over data than over SMS.





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  Reply # 69503 4-May-2007 10:25
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Hmm, but you can't really compare it like that though...  What about comparing to usage in reality?

Say, I had nothing to do for half an hour while in a cafe, and decide to chat with friends...  Using sms, chatting to 3 friends, that would probably mean 30 messages you send out (abt 1 msg per min)....  That would cost $6 then...

What about MSN messenger using data. On casual rates, it's $10/MB.  So, as a comparison, would using MSN messenger over data mean a bill of less than $6 (or 0.6MB) for half an hour then???

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Reply # 69504 4-May-2007 10:32
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But if you know you will be using things like this why would you be using casual data plans at $10/MB? It makes more sense to go for a plan, even a small 15MB plan...







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  Reply # 69521 4-May-2007 16:35
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Where is the link to download the version you are using? I'll have a play on my phone.



OK for starters I am using a Nokia N73, so the version of WLM I am using is differnt from the version Mauricio is talking about (Or so is my understanding). The webpage for it, if you can read chinese is http://mclient.msn.com.cn

I am using the english version downloaded form Mess.be (Sorry I can't link directly to the page as the way their webserver is setup seems all links put directly into the address bar redirect to the homepage).

I recently had my Nokia 6265 (CDMA) replaced by Telecom so I didnt have the app installed anyone on that phone, but i've just reinstalled it and am getting the same problem on that phone as well. I guess this means there is a problem with the service rather than the network.




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  Reply # 69545 4-May-2007 20:22
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And beware those Telecom WAP rates!

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  Reply # 69553 4-May-2007 21:13
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paradoxsm: And beware those Telecom WAP rates!


Look at Telecom's latest figures

  • Voice revenues were stable on $392 million
  • Data revenue increased 32.5% to $163 million


  • Wonder how much of that was from unsuspecting people using WAP? :-)

    Anyway back to the original problem I downloaded a S60 Windows Live! app from a chinese website the other day for a Hong Kong carrier and it will only function on their network, not from anywhere else.

    I recommend IM+ it's just a shame the price is a bit on the high side.


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    freitasm: But if you know you will be using things like this why would you be using casual data plans at $10/MB? It makes more sense to go for a plan, even a small 15MB plan...



    But the same goes for Txting..  If you know you're going to be a heavy Txter, surely you'll go for Super Prepay's Txt2000, or the equivalent on YouChoose. 

    So about how many KBs does MSN-ing for half an hour eat up anyway?  That's my original question?  Thanks!

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