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Topic # 14221 21-Jun-2007 16:20
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I'm told by a guy who works at the Wellington Telstra store that there's a new generation of Telstra Cable boxes coming later this year. Does anyone have any info as to what improvements can be expected? A Component out connection perhaps? HDMI? DVI? Any info at all?

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  Reply # 75568 21-Jun-2007 19:50
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I think HDMI would be pushing it, component, maybe. I really think that the better connection options would highlight the already noticeable artifacts that are present, but oh well.




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  Reply # 76308 29-Jun-2007 14:23
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OrangeDrink: I'm told by a guy who works at the Wellington Telstra store that there's a new generation of Telstra Cable boxes coming later this year.



Later this year?  In our case this will probably be to late to prevent us from switching back to Sky just to get the component connections. We've just installed a new 40 inch LCD screen. My surprise at the fact that the Telstra decoder only has RCA and S-video connections was surpassed only by my shock at the appalling quality of the picture.

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 76310 29-Jun-2007 14:27
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Hmmm could be your LCD isn't helping much... but yeah I've just had a Sky dish installed on my roof because I can't be bothered to wait and see what Telstra come up with. There's no way on earth I'm watching the Rugby World Cup even more heavily compressed than Sky and through S-Video! :)

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  Reply # 76311 29-Jun-2007 14:33
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Yup, the best explanation I can get from Telstra's helpdesk is that the High resolution LCD is attempting to boost the low definition signal from the decoder which is causing the pixelation and blockiness.  It's a little hard to rationalise dropping $3K on the LCD TV only to wind up with a picture which looks worse than the 5year old widescreen CRT I just replaced.



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  Reply # 76312 29-Jun-2007 14:41
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Well the LCD's only a small part of the problem, the main problem is that Telstra compress on top of the Compression Sky already do on their channels. Some of those broadcasts will already be compressed at source by whoever Sky gets the feed from as well. It's multiple layers of compression (Sky seem to have improved bandwidth lately and quality has gone up on some channels I've noticed) but on some channels the amount of compression is huge. Tack on the further quality loss by downgrading to S-Video, or worse COmposite. And that's the main problem... you should tell Telstra that! Who makes your LCD, some deal very well with scaling your picture to fit it's native resolution but other cheaper ones do something of a horrible job... to my eyes at least as well LCD is much poorer quality than CRT or Plasma. I'm not 100% sure of the reasons but my feeling is that they waaaay overdo the contrast settings to make the blacks look actually black! The end result is your edges get messed up and you get a lot more jaggies than on CRT or Plasma... I've not got anything to back that up except my observations and limited technical understanding of how things work though ;)

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  Reply # 76313 29-Jun-2007 14:51
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It's a Samsung 40 inch.... not sure of the model number.   I've managed to get a pretty good image straight off the DVD/HDD using component cables, but will also be exploring the option of HDMI.

So, it's really just Telstra's compression issues which I need to find a way around.  Might just have to swallow my pride, crawl back to Sky and trade terrible customer service for a decent picture  :)

Cheers for the info.



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  Reply # 76314 29-Jun-2007 14:57
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You may find Component looks as good as HDMI anyway... upscaling's a wee bit of a con anyway as your TV does it's own upscaling to native rez of anythiing that comes in. Quite often it does it better than the DVD Player will too! I've not really looked too much at LCD's by Brand, I've never been blown away by one in a shop anyway. Give me a Panasonic Plasma anyday... ;)

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  Reply # 76633 2-Jul-2007 18:44
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I must be going blind ..we have a samsung 32" lcd ..the ones they are advertising now. 99% of the programs are not a problem, but we have noticed pixelation problems in programs which use reconstructions and dramatisations of the home editing suite quality, IE the history channel and all the tin pot american military history programs. Although Kings and Queens of England which is playing at the moment is virtually unwatchable due to the cute graphics.



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  Reply # 76635 2-Jul-2007 18:48
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like posterised colours and watercolour type effects? Yeah I hate it when they use those but that ain't your Telstra box or your TV... just overuse of Photoshop filters! ;)

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  Reply # 76685 3-Jul-2007 00:48
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I know but on the other crt tv in the office (educational use of course) it is watchable, on the lcd its not.

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