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#161863 21-Jan-2015 23:09

So I stumbled upon this on reddit, when i first saw it i thought the speeds it was quoting was the speed all the users on a single node had to share but i'm not really sure and i thought i'd come here and ask some of you.

this article refers to cable networks in america.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/why-comcast-and-other-cable-isps-arent-selling-you-gigabit-internet/

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#1219588 21-Jan-2015 23:20

Vodafone NZ are already working on upgrading their cable network to deliver 200 Mbps performance in order to compete with the fibre UFB.

As the article mentions, the key to higher speeds on HFC is node splitting which is expensive. Retiring legacy DOCSIS 2.0 modems is also needed as they are sitting their taking up bandwidth which can be used more efficiently on the newer protocol.

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#1219654 22-Jan-2015 05:58

It's not only retiring older gear, it would also require shutting down their older existing DVB-T TV MUXs and replacing the older STBs - and I can't see that happening with the massive cost cutting occurring at VF.

Even with that you'd need to completely redesign and reengineer the entire network to reduce node sizes to come anywhere close to offering similar contention ratios for higher speeds as what UFB offers.

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#1219660 22-Jan-2015 06:51

it's down to cost vs age the older an ISP is the more it's going to cost where as a brand new ISP can do it right off the bat

just ask Chorus how much is it going to cost to do the upgrade for gigatown

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#1220214 22-Jan-2015 16:21

Athlonite: it's down to cost vs age the older an ISP is the more it's going to cost where as a brand new ISP can do it right off the bat

just ask Chorus how much is it going to cost to do the upgrade for gigatown

wouldn't they just build the network from scratch to support gigatown? or had they already started building it?

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#1220216 22-Jan-2015 16:29

What upgrades are they doing for gigatown? From what I can tell not a whole lot.

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#1220221 22-Jan-2015 16:38

hamish225:
Athlonite: it's down to cost vs age the older an ISP is the more it's going to cost where as a brand new ISP can do it right off the bat

just ask Chorus how much is it going to cost to do the upgrade for gigatown

wouldn't they just build the network from scratch to support gigatown? or had they already started building it?

Stick Dunedin into the Chorus mapper, you will find that a big chunk already has 200mbs UFB, so there is plenty to upgrade...

To be honest I suspect it will be a nice little testbed for the future upgrade of the rest of the UFB network down the line...

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#1220245 22-Jan-2015 17:04

lxsw20: What upgrades are they doing for gigatown? From what I can tell not a whole lot.

Not a whole lot at all.. The UFB architecture has changed progressively each year, with the move from away from cabinets to ABFAT's an so on, and reduction of the splits. Dunedin really is no different to anywhere else.

There had been some talk that the town that won Gigatown would potentially see a trial of 10GPON gear at some point in the future.

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#1220283 22-Jan-2015 18:05

Alot of areas currently with cable are going to have fibre within the next couple of years so its probably barely worth it

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#1221184 23-Jan-2015 22:43

sbiddle: It's not only retiring older gear, it would also require shutting down their older existing DVB-T TV MUXs and replacing the older STBs - and I can't see that happening with the massive cost cutting occurring at VF.

Even with that you'd need to completely redesign and reengineer the entire network to reduce node sizes to come anywhere close to offering similar contention ratios for higher speeds as what UFB offers.

DVB-T? Do you mean DVB-C

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#1221187 23-Jan-2015 22:48

I cant see cable lasting more than 5 years. With VF's customer service policy they don't seem to really want customers anyways.

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#1221214 24-Jan-2015 00:15

mattbush: I cant see cable lasting more than 5 years. With VF's customer service policy they don't seem to really want customers anyways.

Telecom managed to survive with really poor service back in the old days. I think you don't realise how tolerant the average kiwi is of poor telecommunications service. Sad but true. :(

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#1221224 24-Jan-2015 01:00

KiwiSurfer:
mattbush: I cant see cable lasting more than 5 years. With VF's customer service policy they don't seem to really want customers anyways.

Telecom managed to survive with really poor service back in the old days. I think you don't realise how tolerant the average kiwi is of poor telecommunications service. Sad but true. :(

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I think most of the market is mostly worried about cost (and why not?).

Is there really much you can do with Gigabit speed anyway?

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#1221230 24-Jan-2015 01:56

JWR:
KiwiSurfer:
mattbush: I cant see cable lasting more than 5 years. With VF's customer service policy they don't seem to really want customers anyways.

Telecom managed to survive with really poor service back in the old days. I think you don't realise how tolerant the average kiwi is of poor telecommunications service. Sad but true. :(

- James

I think most of the market is mostly worried about cost (and why not?).

Is there really much you can do with Gigabit speed anyway?

It'd just be good for having good speeds when people are downloading on your connection, you'll still have fast browsing

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#1221239 24-Jan-2015 07:23

hamish225:
JWR:
KiwiSurfer:
mattbush: I cant see cable lasting more than 5 years. With VF's customer service policy they don't seem to really want customers anyways.

Telecom managed to survive with really poor service back in the old days. I think you don't realise how tolerant the average kiwi is of poor telecommunications service. Sad but true. :(

- James

I think most of the market is mostly worried about cost (and why not?).

Is there really much you can do with Gigabit speed anyway?

It'd just be good for having good speeds when people are downloading on your connection, you'll still have fast browsing

Any why would browsing be any faster just because it's a Gb connection?

You're never going to saturate a 100Mbps connection now, so any such benefits aren't going to be visible.

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#1221246 24-Jan-2015 08:15

hamish225:
JWR:
KiwiSurfer:
mattbush: I cant see cable lasting more than 5 years. With VF's customer service policy they don't seem to really want customers anyways.

Telecom managed to survive with really poor service back in the old days. I think you don't realise how tolerant the average kiwi is of poor telecommunications service. Sad but true. :(

- James

I think most of the market is mostly worried about cost (and why not?).

Is there really much you can do with Gigabit speed anyway?

It'd just be good for having good speeds when people are downloading on your connection, you'll still have fast browsing

How many people are you planning on having downloading from your connection? Hundreds?

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