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Topic # 16398 8-Oct-2007 08:08
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For those who complain about the local mobile data costs, for comparison O2 UK has launched "unlimited plans":


--O2 Web Bolt On is available to Pay & Go and Pay Monthly customers for just 7.50 pounds (US$15.19) inc VAT per month. This is intended for people who want to browse the internet and send e-mails, and is subject to a fair usage policy which operates above 200Mb usage per month, or “approx 1,400 Internet pages per month”.
--If people want to connect their handset to a PC or use a data card the O2 Web Max costs 30 pounds a month including VAT, and (from the press release) “this unlimited offering is subject to a fair usage policy which operates above 3Gb usage per month”.
--Blackberry users get a 10 pound unlimited service, which allows 200Mb.



I can't understand how companies can use the word "unlimited" in their contracts and advertisement when they clearly put limits?

The 200MB "unlimited" plan for $24 is laughable. For a bit more Vodafone and Telecom New Zealand offer 1 GB, and just double that and you can have 3 GB plans.

If you use the Vodafone 3 GB and pay an extra $10 you can have up to 6 GB, which is still less than what you'd pay for O2's "unlimited" 3 GB fair use plan. This makes the Vodafone plan half price of the O2 plan, on a per gigabyte basis.






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  Reply # 90051 8-Oct-2007 09:50
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It's all down to enforcement Mauricio.

If you're a user who spikes up and down the threshold limit, then the odds are very good you'll never hear from the telco - the measurement threshold for fair use *must* be clearly stated in t's and c's, otherwise what's the fair use threshold?

I agree though, marketing as unlimited is a bit on the nose. I like the words 'no surprises'.

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  Reply # 90062 8-Oct-2007 11:11
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Yea

Hong kong has unlimited data plans too at around $24NZ

 
 
 
 




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Reply # 90063 8-Oct-2007 11:16
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Well my post was in relation to how an operator cals "200 MB" unlimited. You already posted in a previous discussion about Hong Kong's unlimited data plans and johnr recommended you rea the T&Cs.
 
Care to at least post a link to this unlimited data plan, and to the T&Cs? Otherwise, back on topic.




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  Reply # 90075 8-Oct-2007 12:05
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freitasm: Well my post was in relation to how an operator cals "200 MB" unlimited. You already posted in a previous discussion about Hong Kong's unlimited data plans and johnr recommended you rea the T&Cs.

Care to at least post a link to this unlimited data plan, and to the T&Cs? Otherwise, back on topic.


http://www.peoples.com.hk/p_tariff_vas_data_iso.jsp

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  Reply # 90076 8-Oct-2007 12:07
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The plans constantly change all the time so the website do not show a precice price of calling and data plans



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  Reply # 90087 8-Oct-2007 13:24
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Its also "unlimited for the first 12 months"

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  Reply # 90089 8-Oct-2007 13:37
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once again pointless comparisons.
Hong Kong vs New Zealand... wtf are u serious? population density is far greater in HK than NZ.

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  Reply # 90100 8-Oct-2007 14:09
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freitasm: That's a GPRS Data plan. Do they have an unlimited 3G Data plan?


Costs the same as thats what I was told by them

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  Reply # 90104 8-Oct-2007 14:13
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mikal: once again pointless comparisons.
Hong Kong vs New Zealand... wtf are u serious? population density is far greater in HK than NZ.


Thats something which I dont like about NZ.Yes it is different but does that mean NZ should just sit and fold your arms and do nothing?

If everyone states that it is pointless to compare to another well developed place i think eventually new zealand will be ignored by other countries

NZ should try to catch up in a way.Now if New Zealand had better plans and broadband plans New Zealand can always say wtf are u serious.NZ has so such less populaton density far greater than HK and yet new zealand is doing quite well..






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Reply # 90110 8-Oct-2007 14:17
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ninjabear:
freitasm: That's a GPRS Data plan. Do they have an unlimited 3G Data plan?


Costs the same as thats what I was told by them
They are doing the same as some operators in Europe, offering unlimited GPRS - check the whole site, they don't seem to offer 3G.







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Reply # 90111 8-Oct-2007 14:18
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ninjabear:
mikal: once again pointless comparisons.
Hong Kong vs New Zealand... wtf are u serious? population density is far greater in HK than NZ.


Thats something which I dont like about NZ.Yes it is different but does that mean NZ should just sit and fold your arms and do nothing?

If everyone states that it is pointless to compare to another well developed place i think eventually new zealand will be ignored by other countries

NZ should try to catch up in a way.Now if New Zealand had better plans and broadband plans New Zealand can always say wtf are u serious.NZ has so such less populaton density far greater than HK and yet new zealand is doing quite well..


It is economics, it's not New Zealand. It's easy as "It costs more to roll out 3G in New Zealand than to roll out in Hong Kong, because of the population density.".

What part of this you can't see?




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  Reply # 90126 8-Oct-2007 16:05
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freitasm:
ninjabear:
mikal: once again pointless comparisons.
Hong Kong vs New Zealand... wtf are u serious? population density is far greater in HK than NZ.


Thats something which I dont like about NZ.Yes it is different but does that mean NZ should just sit and fold your arms and do nothing?

If everyone states that it is pointless to compare to another well developed place i think eventually new zealand will be ignored by other countries

NZ should try to catch up in a way.Now if New Zealand had better plans and broadband plans New Zealand can always say wtf are u serious.NZ has so such less populaton density far greater than HK and yet new zealand is doing quite well..


It is economics, it's not New Zealand. It's easy as "It costs more to roll out 3G in New Zealand than to roll out in Hong Kong, because of the population density.".

What part of this you can't see?


Your saying that NZ should just do things slowly or do nothing at all.






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Reply # 90129 8-Oct-2007 16:37
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ninjabear:
Your saying that NZ should just do things slowly or do nothing at all.



No, you are saying this. I am saying that you can't compare New Zealand and Hong Kong and expect to have unlimited plans for the same price.




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  Reply # 90190 8-Oct-2007 21:52
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like freitasm said its basic economics.
The main reason probably NZ has been so slow is because company's have not found us very financially viable to develop the infrastructure.
Telecommunications networks are natural monopoly's its up to the government to enforce Vodafone/Telecom to charge at socially desirable rates.

However if the government was to step in SO far do you think they would operate or pull out? If they pull out then the government can take control and we can go back to the days of Telecom where it took a month to get a phone line connected.

Its a tedious process (too reach an acceptable level of competition) but its a process that has to be done correctly to the benefit of consumers and reaching a compromise with telco's so they remain in the market and offer their services.


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