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Topic # 18271 4-Jan-2008 14:55

It was working ok but seems that the block is back in place.

Helpdesk advise that the only way around it is a static IP address, which appears that is charged for now.

Now I notice xnet _STILL_ dont have any warning of this on the sales page, and the fact that it was working between when it was installed and a few days ago lead me to believe that this horrid idea had finally being given the shove, but its back.

So, why can xnet not offer a full working internet connection without adding the additional cost of a static IP address. I dont really want a static on my familys internet connections, and the $10 blows away any savings of using xnet anyway. There are 2 others that I would like to move to xnet, but if this block is in place and its $10 a month to be able to send thru the proper email server then I really cant justify it.

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Reply # 102921 4-Jan-2008 16:17

Why don't you use the xnet smtp server? they do this to stop spam btw, which they can fall accountable for if its coming from there clients.

What email server are you trying to use, it dosnt make much difference what smtp server is used, the emails all get sent any way?

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Reply # 102924 4-Jan-2008 16:20

adventdesigns: Why don't you use the xnet smtp server? they do this to stop spam btw, which they can fall accountable for if its coming from there clients.

Because some spam filters look at where the emails from coming from, and whether it matches up with the records contained on your domain.

Also its just a pain when you are moving around networks. Having your own SMTP server is just so much easier.

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Reply # 102945 4-Jan-2008 18:14

I'm just going to get my web guy to pull finger and get smtp running on another port, he's being talking about it for ages. Might see if I can get TLS as well since that will make me feel better using other peoples connections to send.

There should be no problem with anyone being able to hit port 25 on everything since the recieving servers have the option of refusing email from IPs that are listed as dynamic IP addresses, or refusing because of no dns match. Blocking the connection to the servers is just stupid since it means that the spammers simply have to relay via the ISP stuffing it up for everyone who uses that server when it gets blacklisted like happens all the time to telstraclear and paradise.

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Reply # 102949 4-Jan-2008 18:26

richms: I'm just going to get my web guy to pull finger and get smtp running on another port, he's being talking about it for ages. Might see if I can get TLS as well since that will make me feel better using other peoples connections to send.

587 is used by a lot of providers as an alternative port.

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Reply # 102998 5-Jan-2008 07:19

Yup this is exactly what I did to get my Email working again (was rather pissed off not knowing Xnet denied inbound and outbound SMTP).
My hosting server now sends all my Email on an alternate port and my home connection router just collects on this port and port forwards to my home linux box. Ive always relayed outbound SMTP via the ISP's mail server just so I dont get blocked by some elses dynamic IP checks.

But if I didnt have my own servers in a data centre I'd be slacked off.

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Reply # 103011 5-Jan-2008 10:59

I do exactly the same, I use SSL/TSL which works fine and my host offers an alternate SMTP port.

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Reply # 103016 5-Jan-2008 11:43

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But if I didnt have my own servers in a data centre I'd be slacked off.

If you didn't have servers in a data centre, you'd need a static IP to run a local STMP server... which is not filtered?

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Reply # 103017 5-Jan-2008 11:46

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thekiwi:
But if I didnt have my own servers in a data centre I'd be slacked off.

If you didn't have servers in a data centre, you'd need a static IP to run a local STMP server... which is not filtered?

I run DNS, Sendmail etc for customers , so the MX for my domain is now pointing at the hosted server, instead of my ADSL connection. This then forwards on the alternate port to my Sendmail server at home. Running DynDNS no need for static IP ... in fact its more "secure" :)
Not sure what you mean by "not filtered"?

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Reply # 103020 5-Jan-2008 12:12

Not filtered as in allowing port 25 connections.

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Reply # 103027 5-Jan-2008 12:46

https://www.google.com/a/

This may be off topic but I find that if I point my domain name mx records to google for emails, I get all the benefits of gmail with my domain, where I can still have my site hosted elsewhere, just a thought instead of spending hundreds on techs to config your SMTP server to work with your ISP .. just a thought.

I am not on xnet nor any other dsl supplier, I am on cable.

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Reply # 103031 5-Jan-2008 12:58

The thing is that if you do things right, you don't need to pay hundreds upon hundreds for setting up a SMTP server, nor do you need Google.

The only issue I see, is if you use another providers SMTP server, you are not able to connect. You should be able to opt out of the filtering.

Situations where you are running a local SMTP server to send or receive mail, you SHOULD (Its possible to work around with dynamic dns solutions but not recommended) have a static IP address. Some email providers blacklist emails originating from dynamic ranges.

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Reply # 103726 9-Jan-2008 01:15

Apparently it cant be done without running a second daemon or changing to some other server or something, and thats something thats not going to happen. his attitude is that its not something that he should have to solve and that I should get a real internet connection, which I am inclined to agree with.

I find the idea of having to pay $10 extra for what is advertised vs the crippled product actually delivered insulting. I will try to resolve it next time I am at mums but looks like it may be a move to another isp if a resolution cant be reached.

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