Max number of device HG659 (on FibreX Max) can support?

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#206169 12-Dec-2016 21:58

I did a quick count around the house, we seem to have trouble to get all our devices to stay connected. Using our three Apple Airport wireless access points (in bridge mode) to HG659 (as DHCP server and Guest AP), we seem to get occasional devices not getting Wifi where these devices previous can connect to SSIDs and obtain IPS just fine.

So I'm curious to find out if HG659 has an arbitrary max device connections?

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#1686782 13-Dec-2016 05:24

how many devices are you trying to connect? you say the devices cant connect to the wifi, which is being supplied by the airport? how big is the dhcp pool on the HG659?

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#1686872 13-Dec-2016 09:34

could be hitting the DHCP pool limit?

since you aren't physically using the wireless on the router itself, it should come under a 'lan' device.

Your only other issue if you have large numbers of devices connected at the same time is if the states table is up to par for that load - Likely it wont be a problem, but it would identify itself with Crashing or simply connections to the internet not working.

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#1686902 13-Dec-2016 10:18

About 20 devices across both wired and wireless. Previously, the DHCP was handled by Apple Airport Extreme - with a mixture of DHCP reservation and dynamic allocation. However, since the change over to FibreX Max, I have bridged all my Apple Airports to HG659 whilst continuing using Apple Airports as bridged-APs and HG659 as DHCP server.

Currently, I am considering either swapping out HG659 with either Mikrotik hEX or Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X to handle router-job with VLAN10 tagging, while keeping Apple Airports to continue doing APs - for internal/normal SSIDs, and if I can enable Guest SSID that can get to the internet via either hEX or EdgeRouter X then that would be superb as well.

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#1686930 13-Dec-2016 10:28

You mention SSIDs - is there a reason you aren't just using one SSID and password across all access points?

Also, have you used Wifi Analyzer to ensure they are split across different channels as best you can?

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#1686932 13-Dec-2016 10:30

Oh - if you are running different SSIDs because you want Guest etc., try scaling back to one SSID and go from there.

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#1686949 13-Dec-2016 10:43

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Oh - if you are running different SSIDs because you want Guest etc., try scaling back to one SSID and go from there.

SSIDs for 2.4GHz and 5GHz on Apple Airports - these were existing configuration and never had any problem. Connecting to WiFi isn't an issue here. However, it seems like HG659 wasn't able to allocate out IP address, and render the access to the HG659 either both wired or wirelessly to get to web configuration completely useless.

There are two other SSIDs (currently) which broadcast from HG659 for guest WiFi. Previously, with Apple Airport, the guest WiFi had no trouble broadcasting together in mesh with normal/internal SSIDs, and the guest network is kept on separate subnet/IP address range automatically.

Those wireless devices that already established WiFi connectivity can retain the connection despite not able to get to internet, those wireless devices having just woken up will fail to obtain IP address, and hence dropped from connecting to SSIDs.

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#1687147 13-Dec-2016 15:45

the the DHCP pool size on the Hg659

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#1687225 13-Dec-2016 17:37

I cannot remember the exact number but the HG659 has a relatively small number of devices it will allow connect at any one time, this also affects any fowarding rules you may set.

From memory it is around 20? and any rules assigned to specific ip's will be lost when a new device is connect. My BIL was seeing regular issues with LAN devices losing their port fowards when a new wifi or LAN device was connect, even when the device was in use. It appeared the HG659 would drop the oldest device regardless of it being in active use or not. It did not matter if they were LAN or wirless devices, or if they were being actively used or not. I think there was a post on the VF forums that actually mentioned the device limit.

EDIT: here is the post I was thinking about. You have a 32 device limit. But I disagree with it keeping active devices and kicking inactive I was seeing it kick the oldest device regardless of activity.

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#1687241 13-Dec-2016 18:24

Wow, only 32. What an unsuitable piece of crap for any modern household.

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#1687578 14-Dec-2016 10:06

Interestingly, the network/router seems pretty stable last night... but I'm not convinced it is the right piece of equipment for our tech-savvy house. So will get Mikrotik hEX to take its place.

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#1687585 14-Dec-2016 10:22

richms:

Wow, only 32. What an unsuitable piece of crap for any modern household.

agreed, thats horrible. here i am looking at expanding past my /24 vlans due to pool sizes being eaten up.

Would wrech havoc on trying to keep ontop of what IP has been given out if its reusing pools that rapidly!

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#1687588 14-Dec-2016 10:27

chiefie:

Interestingly, the network/router seems pretty stable last night... but I'm not convinced it is the right piece of equipment for our tech-savvy house. So will get Mikrotik hEX to take its place.

Good move.

in the meantime, https://www.spark.co.nz/help/internet-data/equipment/huawei/hg659-gateway/changing-the-lan-dhcp-range-huawei-hg659-hg659b/

You can expand the DHCP pool size with these steps.

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#1687589 14-Dec-2016 10:30

Get an Edgerouter Lite or Edgerouter PoE. They will perform better than an Edgerouter X.

If you go with a Mikrotik go with a RB3011 they are more powerful than RB2011 or hEX, and have dual core cpu.

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#1687593 14-Dec-2016 10:36

hio77:

chiefie:

Interestingly, the network/router seems pretty stable last night... but I'm not convinced it is the right piece of equipment for our tech-savvy house. So will get Mikrotik hEX to take its place.

Good move.

in the meantime, https://www.spark.co.nz/help/internet-data/equipment/huawei/hg659-gateway/changing-the-lan-dhcp-range-huawei-hg659-hg659b/

You can expand the DHCP pool size with these steps.

The pool size is already very big .2 to .254 on Vodafone's HG659. But it's the number of connections/devices the router is capable of handling before it gets into freaked out mode.

The plan I will have is probably let Mikrotik hEX acts as VLAN10 tagging on WAN, and maybe DHCP server as well. And re-enabling the Guest SSID on all the Apple Airports to handle the (meshed network) guest device connectivity since it was working great previously. The internal/private SSIDs will be handled by the Apple Airports as well in bridge-mode to the hEX.

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#1687595 14-Dec-2016 10:40

chiefie:

The pool size is already very big .2 to .254 on Vodafone's HG659. But it's the number of connections/devices the router is capable of handling before it gets into freaked out mode.

Ah my bad, forgot the differance between the spark and the Vodafone models firmware.

obviously, the spark side is the one that im more up with :L

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