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Topic # 24486 25-Jul-2008 14:44
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And you all groan at yet another topic on this... Tongue out

I'm currently in the process of changing to Fusion. My telecom number is non-active as of today, but I get an engaged type beeping on the line. My question is, will this beeping stop and the line become silent?

I ask this because if the line goes silent then it would enable me to try a (very quick'n'dirty) method of getting VFX to the rest of the jackpoints.. (lets just say that the method involves making use of my current line filters...)

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  Reply # 151305 25-Jul-2008 15:06
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I'm no expert but I would suggest you disconnect the rest of your jackpoints from the feed from the exchange (other than the one your router is plugged into of course) before connecting your ATA to them.



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  Reply # 151310 25-Jul-2008 15:15
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That's what I'd perfer to do myself.. Problem is...

This is what I know about telephone jackpoint wiring:
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And there is the entirety of my knowledge on the subject.

Although anyway who can help me at least identify what exactly to disconnect is welcome to try! It would be much appreciated.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 151313 25-Jul-2008 15:18
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Can you identify the point where the line enters your house (called the demarc)? Usually a small white box on an exterior wall. Now how close to that point is the jackpoint where your router is plugged in and are there any other jackpoints that are closer to the demarc than your router?

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  Reply # 151319 25-Jul-2008 15:27
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The beeping will continue.

Never connect the VFX port to a jack point while it is still connected to the outside phone line, you risk serious injury from lightning strikes (serious to your equipment, maybe to you as well).

Phone wiring is very simple.  It is only 2 wires, and stirctly speaking you need to keep the correct polarity (called tip and ring).  But ADSL does not use DC voltages so it does not matter, and virtually all phone equipment use a transformer for isolation so there is also no DC connection.  In practice the polarity does not matter.

The only critical thing is you need to use approved wire (or you can become liable) and outside connections need to be with grease filled joiners (to keep moisture out).




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  Reply # 151343 25-Jul-2008 16:08
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I've taken a few pictures. I apologise for the poor quality as they were taken on my phone camera.

This first photo is the kitchen one, and I suspect is the master jack


The second is of the lounge jack. This is where my ADSL router is currently plugged into. Note that this is a newer jack than the others, and I don't have the right equipment to open it.


The third is in my bedroom, and would be the most problematic to do anything with if it were the master.


It is feasible for me to have the router plugged into either the first or second of the three jacks.
If at all possible (at least for now) I don't want to mess with any outside/under the house cables.

Any suggestions on what I can do next? Thanks.

(MODS: If you decide this has gone too far OT, please feel welcome to transfer to a new thread, or change the thread title.)

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  Reply # 151357 25-Jul-2008 16:35
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Alternatively you could get yourself a few cordless DECT phones and put them in different areas around your house that way you wont have to worry about any wiring. Niel is right that beeping noise wont stop I have it here too on my phone line and I have had fusion since January. It doesnt affect your broadband or VFX phone service in any way.



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  Reply # 151365 25-Jul-2008 16:42
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I already have a DECT phone, but if I can use my existing equipment, will probably be quite a bit cheaper. Also having a hard time trying to find an extra handset now.



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  Reply # 151374 25-Jul-2008 17:07
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Actually, looking at the pics and thinking about it, in the bedroom jackpoint, would disconnecting the wires from the grey cable do the trick to isolate the bedroom and lounge jacks from the kitchen one?

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  Reply # 151425 25-Jul-2008 20:00
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I am confident the order they are wired up is kitchen, bedroom, then lounge.  The grey cable is the old style cable used between jacks, and wrapping the extra wires is also not done any more (takes too much time...).  In our 1960's house the master is also in the kitchen and one slave in the bedroom (and I've added an extension to the lounge).  Perhaps in the old days it was not the norm to have a phone in the lounge, and having one in the bedroom is nice for evening calls (and electric heaters were a luxury).

One option is to use the extra wires to connect the modem in the room where you want it.  The tool for fitting the wires to the jacks is freely available, and suggest you do not use a screw driver to push them in (damages the jack).

It looks like you have the old style master-slave jacks where you have 2 wires coming into the house and then 3 wires between jacks.  Recommend you replace the jacks with modern ones where you connect only 2 wires between jacks.  It is only very old phones that needs the 3rd wire, and (apparently) it reduces your ADSL performance.

I can highly recommend getting a cheap set of DECT phones and place the modem/ATA wherever you want.  Some time ago I got 3x DECT phones for $50 on a clearance sale at Farmers.  Probably the best $50 purchase I've ever made.




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  Reply # 151435 25-Jul-2008 20:34
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Basically, the only purpose for doing this is so I can use my cheap corded phone in the bedroom. I like it because it has a nice loud shrill ring I like, and isn't lit up like a christmas tree... It also doesn't take up a precious power point (I have precious few of those).
Please correct me if my thinking is faulty/not going to work, but if I were to plug the ADSL part into the kitchen jack, and pull the wires coming from the grey cable (that's the link to the kitchen) from the bedroom jackpoint, this would leave me with a isolated connection between the bedroom and lounge right? Then if I were to plug a cable into the lounge jack from the ATA...? (yes I realise a double adapter will be needed somewhere here)

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  Reply # 151451 25-Jul-2008 22:03
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shermanp: Please correct me if my thinking is faulty/not going to work, but if I were to plug the ADSL part into the kitchen jack, and pull the wires coming from the grey cable (that's the link to the kitchen) from the bedroom jackpoint, this would leave me with a isolated connection between the bedroom and lounge right? Then if I were to plug a cable into the lounge jack from the ATA...? (yes I realise a double adapter will be needed somewhere here)

Yes, this should work.  I would make one little change though...

In order to give the best ADSL performance, you need to remove any "stubs" i.e. wiring which is connected to the line from the exchange without terminating anywhere at the other end.

To achieve that, I would disconnect the wires from the grey cable inside the kitchen jackpoint rather than the bedroom one.  As you can see, the thick Yellow and Black wires are the incoming line from the exchange.  These are joined with Scotchlok connectors to the thin White and Red wires.  Don't make any changes to those wires; they must be left exactly as they are, or your ADSL won't work.

Now, here are the changes you need to make:

-  Disconnect the second pair of thin White and Red wires which go to the Grey cable
-  Disconnect the thin Blue wire which also goes to the Grey cable (this used to be the Bell Ringing wire in the old 3-wire system)

That will leave your Bedroom and Kitchen jacks joined together, but with no connection to the outside line.  Plug your ATA into either of them, and away you go Cool

P.S.  I also have the beeping on my line, along with a whole lot of crackling and frying noises at the moment.  Yet our VoIP phone is still working OK most of the time, unless we get a disconnection which is happening 6 to 10 times per day at present.  Have been waiting for Telecom to fix this for 7 days now Yell Our download speed is about 1/15th of normal Frown

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  Reply # 151452 25-Jul-2008 22:04
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1. Buy another jack-point
2. In the kitchen cut the black and yellow wires from the main cable just before they enter the gel connectors.
3. Plug a phone into each of the other two jack-points and confirm they are dead (no beep beep)
3a. If not dead - oops my bad, do not continue
4. Wire up the black & yellow wires to the new jack-point (some shuffling of the two jack-points may be required)
5. Label new jack-point as N-DSL
6. plug your router into N-DSL jack-point & confirm DSL syncs up OK
7. Plug the ph port of the ATA into the other kitchen jack-point
6. Plug your phones into lounge or bedroom jack-points

Ring ring I hope :)




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  Reply # 151468 25-Jul-2008 22:46
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Thanks for your input and suggestions folks!
I think I'll have a little house wiring project tomorrow..

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