[TelstraClear] Peering with Citylink

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#24760 1-Aug-2008 20:26

Hey all,

i know telstraclear dont peer residential at all, but if i wanted to, how would i got about it, is it possible.. cost etc? any ideas? I have VPNs that go to work and back in the welly cbd, and it sounds sensible, that to get the most direct route would to have my servers here peered....

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#153650 2-Aug-2008 19:03

There is nothing you can do, as your first hop (ie TCL) will route all your Citylink traffic internationally rather than via a local hop. If you don't mind paying business rates for your internet, you could go through Xtreme in Wellington, as they re-sell TCL Cable, and both peer with the local exchange. I have dealt with Xtreme over many years and find them an excellent ISP, their spam filting is also excellent. However there is SFA you can do to get TCL to start peering as it doesn't work within their business model, unless you are a large customer who demands it, apart from take your business elsewhere.

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#153655 2-Aug-2008 19:26

hmm, yeh i did a bit of research after making my post and yeh your pretty much right. Work is with xtreme for some of our dedicated stuff, and inhouse internet is connected to citylink aswell, so might seem like a sensible idea. Thanks for the info.

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#153658 2-Aug-2008 19:32

I'm not sure who else still resells cable plans now - there were about 3 or 4 ISP's last time I looked.

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#153663 2-Aug-2008 19:59

can I have 2 cable connection from different providers over my 1 physical connection at home?

ie TC Cable for normal international etc and Xtreme Cable for national IP?

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#153664 2-Aug-2008 20:00

haha, that would be nice, but i highly doubt it, and i think its been covered before on geekzone and the answer is no. 2 lines, 2 modems for multiple connections/IPS.... anyway thats off-topic :P

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#153665 2-Aug-2008 20:04

zar: haha, that would be nice, but i highly doubt it, and i think its been covered before on geekzone and the answer is no. 2 lines, 2 modems for multiple connections/IPS.... anyway thats off-topic :P

any ideas why?

I don't imagine I can/will have another physical cable from TC strung from street to my house

But why can't I pay for 2 connections, 2 modems etc?

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#153669 2-Aug-2008 20:24

nathan:
can I have 2 cable connection from different providers over my 1 physical connection at home?

ie TC Cable for normal international etc and Xtreme Cable for national IP?

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I know it's possible to have multiple TCL cable connections at home but no idea if it's pissible to have two different ISP's. Technically there are no issues, it would come down to TCL policies.

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#153671 2-Aug-2008 20:26

zar: haha, that would be nice, but i highly doubt it, and i think its been covered before on geekzone and the answer is no. 2 lines, 2 modems for multiple connections/IPS.... anyway thats off-topic :P

That's the case with ADSL where only a single ADSL account can exist on a single copper phoneline but the HFC network is different. It's essentially just one big ethernet bridge.

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#153681 2-Aug-2008 21:07

actually, im not sure about nz, but with adsl you can easily have 2 adsl lines on a single coper line, if that coper has 2 twisted pairs.. eg. 4 wires.. iv done it before in aussie..
but cable aparently no,, here..

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#153682 2-Aug-2008 21:08

sbiddle: That's the case with ADSL where only a single ADSL account can exist on a single copper phoneline but the HFC network is different. It's essentially just one big ethernet bridge.

I know someone who does have two TCL cable connections into their house (for two static IP's, not like when Saturn ran the cable network and you could get as many IP's as you wanted), so technically I see no reason why TCL would have a problem with it, at the end of the day they are still getting paid.
I know SNAP in chch re-sell cable as well, but I don't know if they re-sell Wgtn cable, or only chch cable.

It's just an expensive option IMHO $115p/m just for a 2MB peering into the WIX... But if you need it, you need it.

The worst thing is, TVNZ will be streaming all of their Olympics coverage over Citylink, so if TCL did peer.....

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#153686 2-Aug-2008 21:11

well the thing is i do need it.. so cost isnt a problem.
hey maybe snap can help me out if they have a welly presence,, i was mates with the old techies... zor and sarge? where are those old school gamers these days? :P

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#153687 2-Aug-2008 21:15

IMHO, I would go with Xtreme, but also give SNAP a call and see what they can offer. Just checked SNAPs site and they don't mention TCL Cable at all... Not sure who else re-sells TCL Cable, but I know they both do, so you can get as many TCL Modems as you want, and with Xtreme they could also assign you a block of IP's, so you could run an internal public facing network... if you wanted to.

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#153688 2-Aug-2008 21:17

cool, well i have 2 ips now, but yeh a block would be better.. then i could route them properly. Thanks for the info :)

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#153842 3-Aug-2008 17:52

This is the tracert from my home telstra adsl connection to www.citylink.co.nz, it's not going internationally at all. Telstra >> ihug >> citylink. All sub 30ms responses.

192.168.0.1
192.168.1.1
218.101.61.122
218.101.61.161
No response from host
g1-0-927.u11.tspn.telstraclear.net
g1-926.u12.brh.telstraclear.net
lnk1-ihug-ge-1-0-1642.u12.telstraclear.net
fa0-24.akl-sky-car1.ihug.net
203-109-145-17.static.ihug.co.nz
rufer.citylink.co.nz
zidane.citylink.co.nz

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#153868 3-Aug-2008 19:51

Interesting.

I just checked a few different hosts I know are on citylink, and they are now peering a lot more than they were, trademe for example is only 5 hops away, whereas a few months ago it was ~20 (via LA) and 11ms response times.

Also found another Wellington ISP who re-sells TCL Cable, ACS www.acsdata.co.nz seem cheaper than Extreme and peer with Citylink... however don't give unlimited national traffic.

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