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Topic # 26985 9-Oct-2008 13:34
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What's on: Thursday 9 October 2008

Note: TV3 and C4 program information has been removed at the request of CanWest.

 

Rather tiring in this day and age how the epg is still considered ownable. So is this permanent removal of the listings from the website tv pages. Anyone know?

 

 


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  Reply # 170149 9-Oct-2008 13:38
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Now that you talk about it, TVNZ's schedules also have done the same.




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  Reply # 170191 9-Oct-2008 15:57
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Hi

Yes, we apologise for this inconvenience.  We will work through the issues as quick as we can and try to get the information back quickly.

Seeing I have an audience on this thread who obviously use our TV Guide online, I would like to survey you views on it and extra features you would like to see in the future.

  • Useability compared to others in the market?
  • Amount of information provided?
  • Accuracy?

Any comments would be gratefully recieved.

Thanks

Jeff Doyle
Market Manager - InHome Services


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  Reply # 170229 9-Oct-2008 17:54
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For petes sake.. Telstra don't have 3 and C4, sky don't have 1,2 listed... About time this rubbish was stopped and the epg data was made freely available to to anyone that wants it rather then this childish behavior that the different TV owners are performing. *its MY epg data!!! MUMMY Telstra are using MY epg info!!!!!Yell

As far as your question Jeff, I would be happy if you could search the web epg and or the epg on digital tv.







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  Reply # 170252 9-Oct-2008 19:28
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TelstraClear: ... and extra features you would like to see in the future.

I'm sure most people who run HTPCs would like the program guide freely available in XML - that's not too much to ask is it?


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  Reply # 170287 9-Oct-2008 20:45
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amanzi:
TelstraClear: ... and extra features you would like to see in the future.

I'm sure most people who run HTPCs would like the program guide freely available in XML - that's not too much to ask is it?



The issue is with the TV networks.  They see EPG data for their channels being their 'intellectual property'.
Probably understandable in a way since they have to pay someone somewhere in the transmission line to actually enter the data.

XML files would provide no protection of the data, so personally I don't think that is an option for any network with data that is 'owned' by any one particular network.   Yes, it's really too much to ask I think personally.  If it was seen beneficial to people (and beneficial to a broadcaster) then they would supply it (paid or otherwise).

Anyway, it seems a bit a$$ about face I think.  Why would a broadcaster supply you with EPG data in a format you can freely distribute and use for your home built PVR when a broadcaster has their own PVR product to sell?  There's no buisiness sense in that.







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  Reply # 170355 10-Oct-2008 09:22
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This issue with the epg goes back a long way and is not really TC's fault. i do understand that. It just makes me more convinced that regulation is the only way we will get items like this and the free to air rights ever sorted.

Anyway thanks for the reply Jeff, very much appreciated.

 

What do I like

- Can list as grid across or down ( I hate being forced into one way only)

- Can show in 3 hour to 12 hour timeframe

- Can limit channels to ones on my plan and eliminate rest

- Clear visually (on both 17 inch normal and 24 inch wide monitors)

- I use Opera and works well with it

 

What would I like to change -

- Show order down left (same as can amend if use grid down)

- Why is Living channel not with other low number channels?

- Saveable direct link to personalised layout as at the moment I have to fudge to get this to work. (Use my channels and 12 hour then try save that as default view - it wont work). 

- Scan sideways (or scroll the window whatever u call it) on 3 hour not just 12 hour view

 

Wishlist -

- Click a link and see alternative view times (seems to only be on some and never one I want)

- Better show details, many dont list episode name or synopsis beyond generic ones

- Search field which will tell me when it is on (ie enter cricket or property ladder)

- Show alerts (by email or whatever)

- For it to link with the new pvr (ok really wishing on that one)

- Similar show hints (ie if I like CSI Vegas it suggests CSI Miami or whatever)

 

Im sure there is more and yeah some is crossover with things I want from the pvr but hey you asked :)

 

 


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  Reply # 170365 10-Oct-2008 09:36
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ZollyMonsta: Anyway, it seems a bit a$$ about face I think.  Why would a broadcaster supply you with EPG data in a format you can freely distribute and use for your home built PVR when a broadcaster has their own PVR product to sell?  There's no buisiness sense in that.


Since when has Telstra Clear had their own PVR product to sell? And how long has it taken them to just get to the point where they can say that one is "coming soon"? And as for the "business sense" - it's something called good will, or, keeping customers happy. But maybe you're right, perhaps Telstra Clear shouldn't do anything to please customers that doesn't directly generate revenue...

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  Reply # 170376 10-Oct-2008 09:51
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amanzi:
TelstraClear: ... and extra features you would like to see in the future.

I'm sure most people who run HTPCs would like the program guide freely available in XML - that's not too much to ask is it?



The Freeview site has been carrying these for months in XML format (not XMLTV) for all Freeview channels and I know a lot of people using these as their EPG feed. They are XML and not XMLTV so they do need converting if you want to use these with a PC that expects XMLTV files.

These also carry a HD flag - it's just a shame there is no 5.1 flag for TV3.

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  Reply # 170377 10-Oct-2008 09:59
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sbiddle:  The Freeview site has been carrying these for months in XML format (not XMLTV) for all Freeview channels and I know a lot of people using these as their EPG feed. They are XML and not XMLTV so they do need converting if you want to use these with a PC that expects XMLTV files.

These also carry a HD flag - it's just a shame there is no 5.1 flag for TV3.


Hey, thanks Steve - I didn't know about that. But I can't find anything on their site about it. Do you have a link for it?

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  Reply # 170630 11-Oct-2008 17:17
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manhinli: Now that you talk about it, TVNZ's schedules also have done the same.


not any more TV3 / C4 are back on TVNZ's schedules.

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  Reply # 170655 11-Oct-2008 22:34
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amanzi: Hey, thanks Steve - I didn't know about that. But I can't find anything on their site about it. Do you have a link for it?

I remember seeing this as well Start here: http://freeviewnz.tv/epg_data.php  And you can figure the rest out.

If you want some help with a xslt to create a single xmltv... might see what I can put together.

I found this on the pvr.geek.nz site: http://pvr.geek.nz/w/index.php/Talk:Listings





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