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Topic # 27108 14-Oct-2008 18:43

First things first. Xnet. Stop advertising the "Torrent" plan on your site. You obviously don't have the means
to support such a plan and inviting more people on to this sinking ship is bad management at best.

Putting all Torrenters into a pool to fight over bandwidth is like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. I
think you need to give those on the Torrent plan an acceptable and more sustainable plan to move to
eg; $1.35/gb peak and $0.45/gb off peak.(but taken out of the torrent pool) You could call it The Sustainable
Plan.  Also, as most people whether on the Torrent plan or not, agree that.
 
Less free data; 25gb-35gb and less hours 3am-7am.

I joined the Torrent plan in July as I did 85% of my internet activities in off peak hours, so it seemed a no brainer
to join. Now things have turned to custard and people on the Torrent are moving back to HSI or Fusion, or leaving
altogether. Seems if nothing is done soon things will do a full circle and peak time problems will be back. I don't claim to know how to run an ISP. or claim to know what's best. However I do know this isn't working.

Please Xnet save face by showing face. Give us a fix that doesn't include using your feet.

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  Reply # 171122 14-Oct-2008 18:59
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Xnet are happy. We`re giving them money for nothing. Why would they change that? Oversubscription is how small ISP`s survive.




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  Reply # 171128 14-Oct-2008 19:13
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DrGr33n: I joined the Torrent plan in July as I did 85% of my internet activities in off peak hours, so it seemed a no brainer to join. Now things have turned to custard and people on the Torrent are moving back to HSI or Fusion, or leaving
altogether. Seems if nothing is done soon things will do a full circle and peak time problems will be back. I don't claim to know how to run an ISP. or claim to know what's best. However I do know this isn't working.


Did you join because

a) you download lots of content and wanted to take advantage of the advertised 75GB free or
b) you browse and work in the evenings so wanted something with free traffic?

If b) then it seems you were in the wrong plan all along.

I've seen a lot of people saying bad things about the plan - I am not saying the plan is right - but I am curious to know how many people are in the wrong plan just because it would be free in the evening, regardless of the amound of data actually used... One of those things we won't know for sure.








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  Reply # 171133 14-Oct-2008 20:03

I joined mostly for reason A). I work from 2pm-12am. My average Downloads were about 20gb-25gb/mth
on the Fusion plan. Plus my partner and kids like to use the internet during peak hours.

And alot of people might find it hard to believe but I also took into consideration that it would take some
strain off the over burdened peak hours, and I get some free downloads. Seemed like a win win situation..

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  Reply # 171134 14-Oct-2008 20:05
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Fair enough - this is the right reason.

And you did right thinking on taking the burden off the other times... I am sorry it didn't work out for you at the end though.




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  Reply # 171139 14-Oct-2008 20:19
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first step is people should stop downloading so many "linux isos" *cough* .. then maybe xnet would be usable again, bit of a pitty really, it was well priced and fast/reliable service not so long ago...

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  Reply # 171141 14-Oct-2008 20:24
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I have this slight suspicion that NZ`s bandwidth issues are in fact the main reason for our new strict copyright laws. ISP`s might even have lobbied for it. Theoretically, after the new laws are implemented, it will free up considerable bandwidth.




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  Reply # 171149 14-Oct-2008 20:40
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To be honest it doesnt mean too much. Before this, Xnet was the only ISP who actually sent out the Cease and Desist letters. I have heard stories (yes I know, only stories) about how telecom just chuck them in the bin. Now it just means that ISPs will be forced to send them out. It also means that ISPs cannot store illegal files with knowledge. To even get this letter, you must be careless enough to use dodgy methods i.e public sites.

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  Reply # 171156 14-Oct-2008 20:52
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yeah I guess you`re right, TameIti. I do think that a lot of people today use dodgy methods, but once the laws tighten, people will quickly find safer methods.




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  Reply # 171500 16-Oct-2008 12:16
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up until a week (or two) ago this plan was awesome, torrents got 50-500KBYTES/sec while surfing youtube etc, the last two weeks the youtube thing is a dialup joke, and torrents hardly move 100mb from 12-7. most of my downloading has to be done during the day and its not that much better (100K is the best ive seen on a nz linux repo server at mid day) so im getting very bad speeds at a higher rate ($1.50/GB) i joined cos i schedule my ftp and torrents to grab linux distros at night and updates between 12-7. youtube and other media-centric sites were fun now i spend more time cleaning the house and having a life. the wife is pressing me to move to another isp cos we are paying for full speed but getting around 256k. i was happy with the torrent plan but now im just wondering what is going on to make it so slow?

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  Reply # 171512 16-Oct-2008 13:29
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everyone is paying for nothing now. 1.50 during peak, after 12am its unusable so its of no benefit to us. so we're paying extra 50 cents per gb for absolutely nothing. Are they gonna fix ths or not? been seeing alot of mixed views here with some ppl saying they spoke to their 'insiders' and xnet staff and they r not gona fix it, some say a fix will come soon... so wait or move?

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  Reply # 171526 16-Oct-2008 14:14
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DrGr33n:
Putting all Torrenters into a pool to fight over bandwidth


I doubt torrenters go into a seperate pool from the rest of us on xnet.  I found myself trying to surf google for a solution to a problem while I was working last night after 12 and lets just say it was slow for any international pages (most of them).

I'm not on the torrent plan.  But hey at least my SSH console windows to remote servers were still working okay.

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  Reply # 171533 16-Oct-2008 14:29
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are we short of memory ?
I thought Xnet suffer from speed issue at peak time before even torrent was introduced.
When torrent plan come along and was supposed to alleviate the peak time speed issue but it didn't.

The whole saga is too many users sign into Xnet and not enough bandwidth was bought.
Perhaps now many of them was gone to Telecom pro plan /Slingshot free torrent plan could help a bit!

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  Reply # 171588 16-Oct-2008 16:21
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lolz....

yes, first it was P2P during peak time that was slowing down the network.....So along comes the torrent plan to fix this....

Now we have the exact same problems occuring, now it is peak and off peak times....I dont blame P2P for this as some of you Do, i beleive oversubscribing and not enough bandwidth to be the major problem with Xnet, or are all the P2P people still downloading majorly during peak and off peak times?

The average joe who uses the net starts using it more and more also as they discover new things, youtube etc etc.

When i was living in Australia using ADSl2 I never ever had the kind of problems like we are now.

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  Reply # 171606 16-Oct-2008 17:22
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rphenix:
To be honest I dont know that they do put torrenters into a seperate pool from the rest of us on xnet?  I found myself trying to surf google for a solution to a problem while I was working last night after 12 and lets just say it was slow for any international pages (most of them).


I think it's quite a easy problem to fix, instead of implementing throttling or traffic prioritation which XNET are against, they could have  fair queuing per connection/customer/tunnel.

The problem lies with user A watching utube which uses 1 TCP/IP connection and getting very slow speeds because user B uses torrents and opens 500 TCP/IP connections, so user 1 gets 1/501 of the shared connection.

If each physical ADSL connection had fair queueing, then user A watching utube would get the same connection speeds as user B using torrents.

For example I used to do 100GB a month, now I have freeview I do 3-5Gb a month, I mostly watch utube/thedailyshow.com.

When I watch utube is keeps pausing, but if I use torrent I get 200-300KB/s so the bandwidth is there, but it's being allocated based on TCP/IP connections not physical ADSL connections.

Anyways, I could be completely wrong about this, and I know this isn't as simply to implement as suggested as theres a bucket load of work to do to do the above.

I am happy that day or night thedailyshow.com streams just fine :-) and that and web browsing is pretty much all I do from home. 




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  Reply # 171610 16-Oct-2008 17:52
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This issue is not just affecting Torrent plan users. I am NOT on the torrent plan, and in the evenings we can't even load international web pages.
If this continues I feel I actually have no choice but to change ISPs as using the internet in the evenings (Even before midnight) for international is close to impossible.

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