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robbypreb

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#28305 26-Nov-2008 00:28
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On my recommendation, my parents purchased a prepay phone to do the occasional txt a few years ago. That phone hasn't been used for a few months, and when they turned it on today, they tried using it to send a txt, but back came a message that their credit had expired. No previous message had been received to warn them that their credit was close to expiring, maybe because it was off, and Vodafone don’t queue text messages?

There credit therefore has been wiped, and the balance showed that it expired mid November. I told them that it should be simple to just top it up via credit card by calling 777. So I tried to do this for them by calling 777. When I tried this, and selected credit card, I got a message that said that to would need to talk to a customer services representative, however because there was no credit on the phone it wouldn't allow me to do this, as it costs a $1 for customer service. It then sent me back to the same menu to top up. (Chicken and Egg loop) I also tried to set up an IOU to allow me to speak to CSR to fix the system, but sending a txt to that IOU number, nothing happened, and no text or $5 IOU credit was received. I therefore tried entering the credit card again at 777, and this time it went to a menu, however after I entered the phone number, I received a message that said something like the maximum number of entries had been received for that number. I tried the 777 number again, and after selecting the credit card option again, I just got a dead line.

I therefore tried to do a top up online. I had to first register the account and number. Once that was setup, I entered the credit card number, but yet again I experienced a problem. This time, it said that that credit card was already in the system, and I couldn't reenter it. I therefore tried selecting an 'existing card', by entering the last 4 digits of the same card, and this time it said that the credit card wasn't on file. This is the same card that it said previosuly said was already on file.

After wasting an hour I have given up. Vodafone don’t allow you to contact them in this situation, and I have got to say that this is a very buggy and non functioning self serve system. Maybe I have just found a particular flaw in their systems.  They will now probably have to go and purchase a prepay card to top it up when they next go shopping. Come on Vodafone, fix your systems, otherwise you will lose customers. 


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  #180339 26-Nov-2008 00:51
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Ironically I have seen Voda Prepays in this state and being successfully ported away, silly Vodafone eh?

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  #180341 26-Nov-2008 04:21
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In that state,and with an outstanding IOU ;)




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#180356 26-Nov-2008 09:10
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If they haven't changed their ways yet, it seems once you use a credit card to charge a Vodafone mobile (either on account or prepay), that credit card is linked to that specific mobile number - and you are then unable to use that credit card with any other number.

Silly isn't it? They say it's a security measure...




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  #180359 26-Nov-2008 09:18
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I posted something a while ago about the credit card linked to their system. I used credit card to put money on friends mobile many years ago. The mobile number has long since been forgotten and VF cant / wont tell me what that number is so they have my credit card details logged against one of their mobile numbers and I have no way of removing that credit card from the system. I sent email to try and get this removed but as yet not heard anything. Surely if I can confirm it is my credit card and I can do it in writing if they want then surely it can be removed or reassigned to another number.  

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  #180389 26-Nov-2008 10:35
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freitasm: If they haven't changed their ways yet, it seems once you use a credit card to charge a Vodafone mobile (either on account or prepay), that credit card is linked to that specific mobile number - and you are then unable to use that credit card with any other number.

Silly isn't it? They say it's a security measure...



It's a really, really annoying security measure...
My partner and I have a joint credit card. Her card has her name on it, mine has mine, however, both cards have the same credit card number...
She has a vodafone prepay phone, so do I (you can see where I'm going with this)...

In order to top up my phone, I have to get her to log in to her "account" on the prepay site, then remove the credit card from being linked to her phone, then, I have to log into my account, then assoiate the card with my phone, then I can top up my account.
Of course, when she wants to put money on her account, she has to communicate with me. Then, I have to get to a computer, then I have to log on, de-link the credit card with my account, then, she has to log in, associate it with her phone, then she can top up her phone.....
 
Instead of having transferred the credit card information once, then having it stored in their system, it now means that it has to be transferred from multiple computers, at different times. This means that there are now multiple times when a keylogger can grab the information.
 
I would consider this quite a strong argument that this policy actually makes the system less secure, not more....
 
not to mention, really annoying (especially if you need to make a long call, no credit on your phone, and, the other party is not able to de-allocate their credit card from the pre-pay system).
 
Did I mention it's really, really annoying...

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  #180397 26-Nov-2008 11:16
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Yep, we're in exactly the same situation. And seeing as Vodafone now charge $1 to talk to customer services... well, maybe we'll just switch to a different telco.

Vodafone--if you're listening/watching to Geekzone forums, tkae note of your customers complaints...

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  #180403 26-Nov-2008 11:32

freitasm: If they haven't changed their ways yet, it seems once you use a credit card to charge a Vodafone mobile (either on account or prepay), that credit card is linked to that specific mobile number - and you are then unable to use that credit card with any other number.

Silly isn't it? They say it's a security measure...

 

Ah, that may explain it, as my mother has her own business phone and also has a seperate card, but linkes to a joint account credit card with the same number. A pity Vodafone NZs 'self serve' system doesn't tell you that, it just spits the dummy. However it doesn't explain why I couldn't submit the credit card via the 777 number, as I never got to the stage to enter the number. It also doesn't explain why the IOU system isn't working either. I think vodafone have some major bugs in their system, These are the kinds of examples when you need to 'speak' to a customer service person, yet now Vodafone NZ blocks customers speaking to a customer service person if they don't have credit on their phone. This $1 call fee must be costing Vodafone a few customers, due to this type of frustration. I just wish vodafone properly tested these systems under all conditions, rather than relying on customers to report problems, becuase under the current conditons customers simply won't or are not aply to report problems, due to Vodafones NZs new 'customer service' policies .


 
 
 

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  #180449 26-Nov-2008 15:42
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dolsen:


In order to top up my phone, I have to get her to log in to her "account" on the prepay site, then remove the credit card from being linked to her phone, then, I have to log into my account, then assoiate the card with my phone, then I can top up my account.
Of course, when she wants to put money on her account, she has to communicate with me. Then, I have to get to a computer, then I have to log on, de-link the credit card with my account, then, she has to log in, associate it with her phone, then she can top up her phone.....
 


I've got a similar setup, with the same credit card number between my wife and I. Instead of "unlinking" the card, I just log into the vodafone site and topup 'another number', i.e. hers, rather than unlinking and relinking it with her account. However, she still has to get a hold of me to tell me she has no money, which is difficult when she has no money!

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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  #180455 26-Nov-2008 16:23
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On the other hand a few years ago I had an evil little sod who worked for a pizza company steal my credit card details run up $100 worth of prepay charges before my bill came in. After the having the charges reversed, talking to the bank fraud department and lodging a complaint with the police at the behest of the bank and having a new card issued and reorganizing various auto payments etc I'm very glad a credit card is tied to a specific phone number.

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  #180458 26-Nov-2008 16:26
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jeremyisme:
dolsen:


In order to top up my phone, I have to get her to log in to her "account" on the prepay site, then remove the credit card from being linked to her phone, then, I have to log into my account, then assoiate the card with my phone, then I can top up my account.
Of course, when she wants to put money on her account, she has to communicate with me. Then, I have to get to a computer, then I have to log on, de-link the credit card with my account, then, she has to log in, associate it with her phone, then she can top up her phone.....
 


I've got a similar setup, with the same credit card number between my wife and I. Instead of "unlinking" the card, I just log into the vodafone site and topup 'another number', i.e. hers, rather than unlinking and relinking it with her account. However, she still has to get a hold of me to tell me she has no money, which is difficult when she has no money!

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

 

I think they will just get a topup coucher from a store, as a customer shouldn't have to jump through hoops and waste so much time on buggy systems, simply  to pay a company. The thing is the vodafone NZ 'self help' system should tell customers this, when the error comes up. If it do then they shouldn't be charging to call the help desk, due to deficienies with their online self service system. It still doesn't explain why the 777 topup system via credit card is defective.


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  #180461 26-Nov-2008 16:30
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wonderferret: On the other hand a few years ago I had an evil little sod who worked for a pizza company steal my credit card details run up $100 worth of prepay charges before my bill came in. After the having the charges reversed, talking to the bank fraud department and lodging a complaint with the police at the behest of the bank and having a new card issued and reorganizing various auto payments etc I'm very glad a credit card is tied to a specific phone number.


It doesn't solve the problem if the thief stole both the credit card and the phone, which is likely. I don't mind a credit card being tied to a particular phone for security, however that isn’t the issue. The issue is that Vodafone NZ's 'Self help' system didn't state that was the reason, or provide any explanation for the error, and it was impossible to talk to a vodafone staff member, due to deficiencies in their system.

I see there has been no comment from Vodafone, so I presume that this type of problem is either normal, or prepay customers complaints don't rate.

 


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  #181335 1-Dec-2008 11:45
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robbypreb:
wonderferret: On the other hand a few years ago I had an evil little sod who worked for a pizza company steal my credit card details run up $100 worth of prepay charges before my bill came in. After the having the charges reversed, talking to the bank fraud department and lodging a complaint with the police at the behest of the bank and having a new card issued and reorganizing various auto payments etc I'm very glad a credit card is tied to a specific phone number.


It doesn't solve the problem if the thief stole both the credit card and the phone, which is likely. I don't mind a credit card being tied to a particular phone for security, however that isn’t the issue. The issue is that Vodafone NZ's 'Self help' system didn't state that was the reason, or provide any explanation for the error, and it was impossible to talk to a vodafone staff member, due to deficiencies in their system.

I see there has been no comment from Vodafone, so I presume that this type of problem is either normal, or prepay customers complaints don't rate.

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He didn't steal the physical credit card or the phone, just the card details when I paid for my pizza. So I still had the card and the phone in my posession.

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