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Topic # 30269 3-Feb-2009 13:59

Hi,

I'm currently on Xnet's HSI but am moving down to Wellington and am think about getting Fusion while we're doing it.

What I would like to know is whether the normal phone jacks in the house are then able to be used, or do the phones then need to be attached to the computer/router or is there anyrthing I can do to enable the use of the jacks. Both phones we have a cordless but it will be a real pain having both bases stuck in the small computer room instaed of different locations around the house.

Also, we currently have a D-Link DSL-504T, and whatever happens, want to retain a wireless network. I am thinking that all we would need is an analogue phone adapter like the PAP2T. Am I right in my assumption or way off the mark?

Cheers

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  Reply # 193698 3-Feb-2009 14:25
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A few months ago I converted our Auckland house to Naked DSL. It was pretty simple and as long as you are familiar with phone wiring, you shouldn't have any problems.  Follow these steps:

-  If there is a central filter fitted anywhere, it will be best to remove it but don't throw it away, as a future owner may wish to switch back to a traditional landline/broadband setup.

-  Find the jackpoint which is first in the chain i.e. nearest the Telecom Demarc. (where your phone line enters the house).

-  Your ADSL router will need to be located at the first jackpoint.

-  Buy an extra 2-wire phone jack and install it on the wall near to the existing "first" jackpoint.

-  Label the "first" jackpoint DSL.  This is where your router will be plugged in.

-  Label the new jackpoint Phones.  This is where your Analogue Telephone Adaptor (ATA) will be plugged in.

-  Unscrew the "first" jackpoint from its mounting and identify the incoming line from the Telecom Demarc.

-  Remove All other wires Except the two for the incoming line.

-  Connect the removed wires to the Phones (new) jack.

-  Plug your ADSL router into the DSL jack and check that your broadband is functioning normally.

-  At this point, you will need to buy an ATA.  A PAP2T is a good choice so long as you don't want to do any faxing.  The PAP2T is the simplest to setup of any ATA I have used.

-  Plug your ATA into a spare Ethernet port on the ADSL router and then plug one of the ATA phone jacks into the Phones jack.

-  At this point, you will need to get your ATA connected via a VoIP provider.  I use VFX at one property and Kiwilink at another.  Both work OK, but VFX has more bells and whistles and audio quality is better.

-  Once your ATA is connected, you should have dial tone at all the other jackpoints around the house.

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  Reply # 193723 3-Feb-2009 16:12
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grant_k:  Would also be worth suggesting the purchase of an ADSL Modem/Router with built in VOIP such as the WAG54GP2 etc.  Then all that is needed is a RJ45 cable from the WAG54GP2 into the Phones jack (as you suggested) and all of the existing phones should work as they are.

XNet will provision the WAG54GP2 and that will be that - plus there will be an additional VOIP RJ45 port in case the OP want a second line (without the need to buy a second ATA device).

Cheers Mike

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  Reply # 193762 3-Feb-2009 18:48
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mruane: grant_k:  Would also be worth suggesting the purchase of an ADSL Modem/Router with built in VOIP such as the WAG54GP2 etc.

I got the impression that the OP wanted to retain his DSL-504T, but if that's not the case, he could certainly look at a combo device with built-in VoIP.  WAG54GP2 is obsolete now, and didn't have a great reputation for reliability.  The replacement is WAG310G as shown here.

mruane: grant_k:  ...Then all that is needed is a RJ45 cable from the WAG54GP2 into the Phones jack (as you suggested)...

BTW, the WAG devices (and all other ATAs that I have encountered) have an RJ11 for the VoIP ports, rather than RJ45, which is used for the Ethernet ports.  So, the cable you need is most likely an RJ11 to BT i.e. standard modem cable, depending on what type of phone jack is installed in your house.

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Grant.

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  Reply # 193766 3-Feb-2009 19:01
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Another thing to note is that the Voip adapters may not be able to run more than 2 corded phones as they cannot supply enough voltage/current for the ring.

I was looking at doing this myself (when we were with xnet) and I was just told to switch to cordless as these only need minimal voltage.


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  Reply # 193773 3-Feb-2009 19:40
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The D-Link will work fine, just not the performing very well when it comes to speed.  Dynalink will perform well, but is not stable (mine needs a reboot every week or two).  But speed of the modem is no big concern so the D-Link will be fine.

I would get the SPA2102 which is better than the PAP2T: supports a better quality CODEC (COder-DECoder) and cost very little extra.  Then I would install a small shelf and put the cordless phone base station there.

That said, I've still got to install my shelf ;-).  But I did get a "1+2" cordless phone with the base station at the modem and the other 2 chargers throughout the home.  Highly recommend getting an older DECT model which runs at 1.8GHz, because it has a range of 100m to 300m, does not interfere with WiFi or Bluetooth, is an industry standard, etc.  Don't get WDECT, it is not the same thing.  But you can get any brand DECT phone, because the manufacturer uses a module made by companies that specialise in DECT certified modules and do not design it themselves so all DECT phones are good quality.

Bonus info: Regarding charging the phone, most use either NiCd or NiMH batteries.  If you have Li-ion batteries then you can leave it on the charger all the time, but not with NiCd or NiMH!  With those you use the phone for a week, then put it on charge for 10h to 12h, then take it off charge for a week, etc.  Also the first time you charge them you charge 24h.  I can give a long technical description, but it is boring.  At the end of the day if you leave it on charge 24/7 then the batteries will die in 1 to 2 years (or at least loose lots of it's capacity).  The only battery that can be left on charge all the time is Li-ion, in fact it is best not to let them go below 50% charge.




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  Reply # 193848 3-Feb-2009 23:02
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BTW, the WAG devices (and all other ATAs that I have encountered) have an RJ11 for the VoIP ports, rather than RJ45, which is used for the Ethernet ports.  So, the cable you need is most likely an RJ11 to BT i.e. standard modem cable, depending on what type of phone jack is installed in your house.


Yes of course Grant, RJ11!!!  And thanks for the link to the WAG54 replacement. BTW really straightforward tutorial for the OP - shows how simple it is to implement Fusion - especially with cordless handsets.

Cheers Mike

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  Reply # 193862 3-Feb-2009 23:59
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chrisjunkie: Another thing to note is that the Voip adapters may not be able to run more than 2 corded phones as they cannot supply enough voltage/current for the ring.

I just looked up the manual for SPA2102 and it says:

Maximum Ringer Load: 3 REN

This means that 3 Phones (of the wired variety) can be connected simultaneously.

I have checked both the WRTP54G and SPA2102 manuals and they both say the same in this regard.  I think it reasonable to assume that PAP2T would have the same spec. for the RJ11 phone ports.

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  Reply # 193873 4-Feb-2009 06:42
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grant_k:
Maximum Ringer Load: 3 REN

This means that 3 Phones (of the wired variety) can be connected simultaneously.

I have checked both the WRTP54G and SPA2102 manuals and they both say the same in this regard.  I think it reasonable to assume that PAP2T would have the same spec. for the RJ11 phone ports.


Many phones now have a REN of far less than 1. Most cordless phones are only 0.5 - this is quite often on the Telepermit sticker saying REN= of RN=

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  Reply # 193895 4-Feb-2009 09:07
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sbiddle: Many phones now have a REN of far less than 1. Most cordless phones are only 0.5 - this is quite often on the Telepermit sticker saying REN= of RN=

Thanks for pointing that out Steve.  I'll remember to check in future.

Just had a look at the base of my Uniden 5.8GHz cordless base and it says RN=1.  So does my Voyager Long Range Cordless base.

Definitely something to look out for when calculating the total load on an ATA.

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  Reply # 195582 12-Feb-2009 17:43
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Thanks guys for the great info.

I've gotten home with my new PAP2T and realised that it requires the phone to be plugged into the cute little box. Rang WXC Sales who confirmed that to be the case. Like almost everyone I have an extension phone in another room so will be looking to see if I can follow grant_k's advice to get that on as well.

Any other thoughts which might help would be very welcome.

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  Reply # 195809 14-Feb-2009 12:15
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When I was on XNET Fusion I cut our inbound wire before the first jack of 3, and installed two RJ11 jack points.

I then connected my DLink router to the inbound jack, and the PAP2T line 1 output to the internal jack.

This worked well for me as the wire I cut traveled over our garage, which meant the router + PAP2T could easily be located on a shelf out of sight.

I had 3 phones connected to the PAP2T without problem..

Now that I've gone to another provider (for reliability reasons) I've just connected a ADSL filter + link cable between the two jacks to restore the original POTS configuration.  Router is still located in the garage.

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