Clarification of ISP settings

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#302922 4-Jan-2023 12:18

My daughter used to have Voda HFC, and network comprised the usual modem - Ultrahub router etc. The router would automatically get the required settings down the line form Voda.

She has now gone to pure fibre (still with Voda) so the old Technicolor modem is now replaced by the 'white box on the wall' 😊. Off that network terminal we still have the Ultrahub router so as to provide wifi.

Can I presume that the ISP settings previously held by the router are now held by the INT unit?

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#3016779 4-Jan-2023 12:19

Ultrahub router has the settings for the ISP

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#3016780 4-Jan-2023 12:22

@mentalinc ... we are considering a TP-Link mesh network, which would dispense with the Ultrahub, so how does that affect ISP settings?

The mesh units all appear to replace routers

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#3016795 4-Jan-2023 13:16

IPoE/DHCP with VLAN Tag 10 is enough.

However if they have a landline they will need to keep the Ultrahub.

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#3016799 4-Jan-2023 13:35

>IPoE/DHCP with VLAN Tag 10 is enough.<

Are you saying that those settings effectively replace the Ultrahub altogether? No other requirements such as DNS's etc?

I've just noticed that Vodafone's own instructions say to connect the primary mesh unit to one of the Ultrahub's LAN ports (turning off it's built-in wifi first of course).

No landline to worry about.

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#3016800 4-Jan-2023 13:44

DHCP will handle the DNS settings.

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#3016801 4-Jan-2023 13:45

Rickles:

>IPoE/DHCP with VLAN Tag 10 is enough.<

Are you saying that those settings effectively replace the Ultrahub altogether? No other requirements such as DNS's etc?

I've just noticed that Vodafone's own instructions say to connect the primary mesh unit to one of the Ultrahub's LAN ports (turning off it's built-in wifi first of course).

No landline to worry about.

Yup and yup, that's how we intend and how we support it, using the Decos as a router do go beyond what's supported(as they're meant to improve coverage not replace) however there is nothing stopping you from using the Decos as a router itself as long as it's configured with the above.

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#3016804 4-Jan-2023 13:56

@MaxineN ... thanks for that, much appreciated.

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#3017043 4-Jan-2023 20:58

It can be done another way directly connected to the ONT but you need to have the knowledge in setting it up.

Best to leave the vodafone router in and plug the deco into it in ap mode then login and disable wifi on the vodafone router

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#3017048 4-Jan-2023 21:19

@Apsattv ... for the family home I'm sure the Ultrahub + mesh units will suffice.

For myself, the router still offers a lot of personalisation (port forwarding, Static Id's etc), but according to MaxineN at least some of that may be possible.

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#3017058 4-Jan-2023 21:51

Rickles:

@Apsattv ... for the family home I'm sure the Ultrahub + mesh units will suffice.

For myself, the router still offers a lot of personalisation (port forwarding, Static Id's etc), but according to MaxineN at least some of that may be possible.

Yes tp link mesh has lot of options, just keep the app current.

There is a thread here about the current release

https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/581574

Im still using the vodafone router for my setup, i have connected in back I have

Lan 1 - a 24 port switch ,
Lan 2 - a 2nd 24 port switch,
Lan 3 - not in use

WIFI turned off on the vodafone router

Deco x20 wired to ethernet in my office room on it own port, In kids bedroom there is the 2nd X20 also wired via ethernet back to its switch in the garage

Decos are set to AP mode

I sometimes check wifi analyzer on my tablet , and see the mess of local wifi channels as new house get completed and people move into my street. Some of them are on a new wifi channel each day based on their router moving channels to avoid interference.

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#3017063 4-Jan-2023 22:09

All the replies above make things a lot harder than needed.

Rickles:

Can I presume that the ISP settings previously held by the router are now held by the INT unit?

No, you still need the ISP settings on the router.

Make sure to set to IPoE/DHCP/VLAN10 on the WAN port.

If you don't have a fixed line phone then you can use any device as the router - keeping the UltraHub plus the TPLink is just adding more stuff you don't need. Just use the TPLink with the above settings.

The alternative is to start changing settings everywhere, disable DHCP in one set of devices, disable AP on another set and making things all around complicated.

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#3017225 5-Jan-2023 10:44

Thanks all for your input, certainly interesting as technology advances (I was there for dial-up), so if I may sum up correctly for basic usage –

1: Vodafone’s preference for using TP-Link X20 mesh units on their network is to cable the X20 to a LAN port on the Ultrahub, turn off that router’s wifi, and simply set the mesh system to either existing or new SSID’s etc?

2: It is also possible to use the X20 mesh system without the Ultrahub, viz. cabled directly to the ONT, and then setting the X20 system with the appropriate VLAN/DHCP/IPoE?

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#3017264 5-Jan-2023 11:59

1. Yes

2. Yes

How hard/complex do you want things to be to fix issues? Removing ultrahub = more setup.

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#3017268 5-Jan-2023 12:13

@mentalinc ... thank you, but I was merely asking as one does in this Forum.

I have no specific issue to fix, and your 'Removing ultrahub = more setup' seems to be at odds with at least one of the previous comments gratefully received.

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#3017277 5-Jan-2023 12:30

Hi, I think one reason voda want you to keep the ultra hub in the mix is to support their supplied VOIP service, if you dont require that, then I see no reason why you dont connect the X20 router directly to the ONT and away you go. Others have mentioned what settings are required.

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