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Topic # 31490 19-Mar-2009 14:13
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http://digg.com/tech_news/Kiwi_ISP_Already_Disconnecting_Alleged_Pirates

Ouuuuuuchh !!!

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  Reply # 202173 19-Mar-2009 14:31
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Theyve been doing that for quite some time - Ill admit I got "caught" by it and my account got suspended because I never contacted them (they dont email the address you give them to make contact on) - once I contacted them I got told one more time and Im out, so it wasnt even a 3 strike system. This was probably about 6 months ago now.....  have since switched ISP (not because of that though).




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  Reply # 202190 19-Mar-2009 15:28
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lol it looks like the nzherald link in the torrentfreak story is down and the nzherald.co.nz website is not even loading for me. their servers probably can't handle the increase in traffic. they'd probably need at least a cluster of 10 servers to handle digg, but if the site is hosted in nz then the data center probably doesn't have a 1Gbps connection to the net.

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 202202 19-Mar-2009 16:07
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I love this from the torrentfreak site:
 "On a lighter note though, WorldXChange does seem to have mastered irony. WorldXChange states on the ‘about us‘ section of their website “To us, the key stakeholders are our customers”. Meanwhile Xnet has a package aimed squarely at bandwidth-hungry BitTorrent users. ".. classic !!!

xpd: Theyve been doing that for quite some time - Ill admit I got "caught" by it and my account got suspended because I never contacted them (they dont email the address you give them to make contact on) - once I contacted them I got told one more time and Im out, so it wasnt even a 3 strike system. This was probably about 6 months ago now.....  have since switched ISP (not because of that though).

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  Reply # 202238 19-Mar-2009 19:20
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Oh lord, why WorldxChange?

Apparantly WorldxChange/Xnet have had this policy in place for the last 6 months... crazy.

We left Xnet a month ago to Orcon moved from crap customer service, bad speeds, low cap, frequent outages and stupid policies to the complete opposite! Couldn't be happier!

Best of all, Orcon doesn't cost us a cent more!


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  Reply # 202243 19-Mar-2009 19:25
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richgamer: lol it looks like the nzherald link in the torrentfreak story is down and the nzherald.co.nz website is not even loading for me. their servers probably can't handle the increase in traffic. they'd probably need at least a cluster of 10 servers to handle digg, but if the site is hosted in nz then the data center probably doesn't have a 1Gbps connection to the net.


No need for a "cluster of 10 servers"... for example Geekzone has been on Digg frontpage before and on Slashdot and never had problems with load. And we run off a single server. A lot of it depends on your configuration really.

As for the topic, WorldxChange has been doing this for ages, even before the New Zealand Copyright law came to be. Nothing new...





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  Reply # 202261 19-Mar-2009 20:17
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And good on them too, well so I thought until they brought out those stupid "Torrent" plans..... Pot calling the kettle black? I wouldn't touch them with a yardstick now.

(Section 92a is still a farce though)

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  Reply # 202517 21-Mar-2009 17:05
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One thing I would like to see any ISP that implements any sort of copyright disconnection policy is atleast a way to challenge the accusation before it gets to disconnection or warning aswell as a penalty clause for copyright holders that make false or incorrect allegations.

As it is at the moment you are simply guilty, no ifs ands or buts.


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richgamer: lol it looks like the nzherald link in the torrentfreak story is down and the nzherald.co.nz website is not even loading for me. their servers probably can't handle the increase in traffic. they'd probably need at least a cluster of 10 servers to handle digg, but if the site is hosted in nz then the data center probably doesn't have a 1Gbps connection to the net.


No need for a "cluster of 10 servers"... for example Geekzone has been on Digg frontpage before and on Slashdot and never had problems with load. And we run off a single server. A lot of it depends on your configuration really.

As for the topic, WorldxChange has been doing this for ages, even before the New Zealand Copyright law came to be. Nothing new...



And ill definitely agree with that on the whole server setup thing.
Depends on your setup and how optimised things are behind the scenes.

Unfortunately now days everyone seems to think servers are so powerful why bother?

Its ridiculous when someone can hand me a script thats taking 300ms to generate, when it can be reduced to 30ms with a few changes or near instant if they chuck it out static with the right config.

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  Reply # 202523 21-Mar-2009 18:15
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it also depends on how many people click on the link from digg.  for example, a story on the front page could get 200 diggs, so it's likely 200 people went to the link from digg, but you don't know how many more people are going to the link from digg without giving it a digg.
eg. link gets 200 diggs, but 1000 more visited link and didn't digg it.
eg. link gets 200 diggs, but no one else visited the link.

it also depends on what you have on your website. nzherald has lots of hosted picture archives and it also has hosted video, which use alot of cpu. geekzone is mainly a forum with no hosted video(we can't upload video in this post can we).

how many visits did geekzone get from digg when it was on the front page before?

freitasm:
richgamer: lol it looks like the nzherald link in the torrentfreak story is down and the nzherald.co.nz website is not even loading for me. their servers probably can't handle the increase in traffic. they'd probably need at least a cluster of 10 servers to handle digg, but if the site is hosted in nz then the data center probably doesn't have a 1Gbps connection to the net.


No need for a "cluster of 10 servers"... for example Geekzone has been on Digg frontpage before and on Slashdot and never had problems with load. And we run off a single server. A lot of it depends on your configuration really.

As for the topic, WorldxChange has been doing this for ages, even before the New Zealand Copyright law came to be. Nothing new...


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Reply # 202527 21-Mar-2009 18:29
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freitasm:
richgamer: lol it looks like the nzherald link in the torrentfreak story is down and the nzherald.co.nz website is not even loading for me. their servers probably can't handle the increase in traffic. they'd probably need at least a cluster of 10 servers to handle digg, but if the site is hosted in nz then the data center probably doesn't have a 1Gbps connection to the net.


No need for a "cluster of 10 servers"... for example Geekzone has been on Digg frontpage before and on Slashdot and never had problems with load. And we run off a single server. A lot of it depends on your configuration really.

Exactly right, i had a website hosted with someone in the USA on a server on their home connection. It was running CentOS, and was an AMD 3500+ with 2gb or ram, on a 2mbit AnnexM uplink. It got Dugg and it served pages perfectly fine until it ran out of RAM, and that was due to an unoptimized Apache setup.
Another way of handling it is to add a bit of code which offloads traffic to coral cache (nyud.net) when digg is the referrer.

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  Reply # 202609 22-Mar-2009 15:14
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If Xnet disconnects you for 'illegal' filesharing do you have to pay the disconnection fee? could be a good way to leave this pos company without paying?

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  Reply # 202610 22-Mar-2009 15:21
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For you people reading this:

Interview with WorldxChange CEO
Q&A with RIANZ on S92A

Q&A with CCF on S92A

Interesting points: thousands of views on the original Q&A with RIANZ thread and lots of questions, but not so much interest in asking questions on the other side - CCF is supposed to be defending your rights, right?

Are you guys aware of the ins and outs of s92a? Have you read the interviews? Have you posted questions?

Have you contacted your PM to let them know what you think about this law? Have you read about the #blackout protest?

Don't come and complain when the law comes in effect in another six days if you haven't doe any of those things.




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  Reply # 203171 25-Mar-2009 01:39
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Now that the bill has been scrapped I wonder if Xnet will change their policy regarding disconnecting people?

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  Reply # 203172 25-Mar-2009 06:02
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Lorenceo: Now that the bill has been scrapped I wonder if Xnet will change their policy regarding disconnecting people?


It does not affect me in any way, but I do have an opinion on this.  I think they should continue doing so but not be so harsh.  I think they have better things to do than to implement a lengthy procedure to follow, but perhaps they can slow down your speed to a crawl so you contact them.  Or they can block all your HTTP and replace it with a message to contact them.  The big problem with disconnection is that people like me on Fusion then have to dig up an e-mail with their phone number to contact them (we threw away our new phone book minutes after it was delivered!), and also you did not receive any e-mail notification since you are disconnected.

So continue enforcing it, but make it a tool rather than a rule.




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  Reply # 203271 25-Mar-2009 15:26
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They already redirect HTTP traffic to http://www.xnet.co.nz/suspended if you get accused of copyright infringement. Along with an email to your Xnet email address and any other alternate email address you supply them with upon signing up.

However I'm hoping that they do change their policy. I'd imagine that with the current economic situation that the last thing they want to do is disconnect a paying customer.

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  Reply # 203274 25-Mar-2009 15:40
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Lorenceo: They already redirect HTTP traffic to http://www.xnet.co.nz/suspended/ if you get accused of copyright infringement. Along with an email to your Xnet email address and any other alternate email address you supply them with upon signing up.


Ah, they used to disable your account, not just your internet access.  So they have already made a significant improvement.  The only instance where a customer can get upset with that is if you have to wait an hour to get through to their help desk (like Telstra) or if the customer discovers it after the help desk has closed.  It is a matter of phoning them and explaining what happened (or accept you were wrong and will not do it again or change provider who will allow you to de illegal downloads).  If it was legit, they will immediately enable your access.  Last time I've phoned they answered within a minute, no long waits in a queue.




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