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makaveli

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Topic # 4757 24-Aug-2005 16:49

has anyone here ever used PTT on their fones?
i dont have a motorolla fone but my nokia has ptt on it. but i dont know whether its allowed to be used on vodafone or not since they only have the motorolla setup.
how does it all work?
do i sign up for a plan ($20 pm for me i think) and get given a user name to input into my settings as well as access point?

does anyone know what the access point (server address i guess) that vodafone uses.
second is what chance do i have of vodafone allowing a non-motorolla fone to use ptt

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Reply # 19070 24-Aug-2005 18:12

Looks like Push 2 Talk usage is predominantly seen on Telecom now (thats potentially a whole different debate).

As far as I am aware, the Nokias are not compatible with Vodas PTT system, and Voda was originally trialling a Nokia system but then dumped it at the 11th hour.

Was Vodafone customer service of no help in telling you whether you could use your phone?

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Reply # 19071 24-Aug-2005 18:41

Which model Nokia is this and is it a import (Vodafone CS do not support imported handsets)

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Reply # 19081 24-Aug-2005 21:28

nokias arent compatible with the voda system
voda is probably looking into the motorola solution for symbian (series 60 and uiq) handsets.

Nokia 5140's were involved in a team nz trial but as someone mentioned ditched at the eleventh hour. I used to have a link to a great article about the struggle for one standard for PTT/PoC

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Reply # 19084 24-Aug-2005 22:41

SNicolle: I used to have a link to a great article about the struggle for one standard for PTT/PoC

Users should be so lucky !

makaveli

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Reply # 19089 25-Aug-2005 09:10

vodafone ppl were a little rude to me saying that if its not the motorolla fone, they cant support it.
i asked if that position will change in the anytime near future she said she didnt know.

anyways,
my thought is wouldnt nokia be pissed off if they released these fones all over the world and the actions of some network operators meant that ppl would be taking business away from nokia. if i was nokia i would be pissed off
especially with the whole "approved fone list" from vodafone regarding 3g services.

i mean ppl spend alot of money on fones these days and if ppl paid hundreds of dollars on 3g fone with certain services i would be pissed off that vodafone wont yet allow it to be used.
surely its in nokias (and other manufacturers) best interest to get nokia on the approved list for 3g services (apart from the already known 6680)

anyways, as far as PTT is concerned, the plans for it are not as cheap as i thought and i dont see any point using the service.
maybe if i decide one day in the future.
but for now, i'll just uninstall the ptt on my fone.

by the way, i have a nokia 7610

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Reply # 19090 25-Aug-2005 10:18

makaveli: anyways, as far as PTT is concerned, the plans for it are not as cheap as i thought and i dont see any point using the service.
maybe if i decide one day in the future.
but for now, i'll just uninstall the ptt on my fone.

by the way, i have a nokia 7610

What PTT software is this? If you are using a third party software then it must be one of those (like FastChat) that actually record a message and send it over the GPRS network?

If this is the case, then you don't need approval from Vodafone, since it is actually using a third-party service. What you need is the other side to have the same software.

And in this case Vodafone will charge you the traffic - not the PTT plan, since that plan is only for native PTT-enabled phones, not for third-party messages.

And remember, these third-party are not compatible with any other software in most case - even less with the network. They are just an option for people that have smartphones that do not have the native PTT service available.

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Reply # 19093 25-Aug-2005 10:28

the ptt software i got from nokia web site under downloads for my particular fone model.
my friend has a 6630 and also has the software.
the thing is that to use it, i need to set up access point and user name and some other settings which i assume i get from vodafone, which means i have to sign up for an account (i assume) and this also means that they might not give me an account on the basis that i dont have a motorolla fone.

but yes, it is a piece of software given to me by nokia. I just dont know what settings to use on it which like i said above i assume i get from vodafone.

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Reply # 19094 25-Aug-2005 10:29

the position i had was checked with the handset specialists for me.

The problem is there is no single standard for PoC(push over cellular) so what Nokia does is diff from what SE does and what motorola does. In addition the infrastructure of the VFNZ PoC system is motorola so that is what you are stuck with.
The motorola series 60 solution when implemented will enable your handset to work on the motorola infrastructure.

Vodafone has no responsibility to provide services such as live of 3g services to handsets that they havent approved to sell. If you want a handset guaranteed to work with the offered vodafone services make enquiries of vodafone and purchase through an authorised channel, you will then have a line back to vodafone if you have a problem. If you make a decision to parallel import a handset or purchase a handset overseas (at a considerable discount) you make a decision. The key network dependent 3g service is video calling and as far as i know people dont have any trouble with parallel imported handsets. The other services are enhanced by 3g through increased data speed and therefore made available to 3g handsets only. Vodafone makes a considerable invesment setting up and maintaining a portal in vodafone live and customising firmware to suit the setup in new zealand so why should they support handsets that they see no benefit from supporting. In addition the fundamental services of a phone network SMS and Voice are supported so what is the problem?

Telecom only connect handsets sold through telecom retailers in NZ and if you wish to import a handset your out of luck see the telepermit rules.

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Reply # 19095 25-Aug-2005 10:32

makaveli: the ptt software i got from nokia web site under downloads for my particular fone model.
my friend has a 6630 and also has the software.
the thing is that to use it, i need to set up access point and user name and some other settings which i assume i get from vodafone, which means i have to sign up for an account (i assume) and this also means that they might not give me an account on the basis that i dont have a motorolla fone.

but yes, it is a piece of software given to me by nokia. I just dont know what settings to use on it which like i said above i assume i get from vodafone.

In this case it is not the PTT network service, it is a third party. It sounds like it needs an APN for Internet access to transfer the voice recording. Have you tried using the standard www.vodafone.net.nz APN?

I think you are confusing the PTT-network service with a voice record-and-forward application - these are different.

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Reply # 19096 25-Aug-2005 10:38

yeah i understand what you are saying and it all makes sense
from a business perspective its a good way of operating.

makaveli

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Reply # 19097 25-Aug-2005 10:44

i need a server address
anyone know what that could be?

makaveli

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Reply # 19098 25-Aug-2005 10:51

i've tried settings from the 3 different access points i had already setup.
even typing in the server address
but nothing works, it says that settings are incorrect, so there must be another thing to setup. i cant figure out what.

so i might as well, leave it for another time. i cant be bothered at the moment.
thanks for your help anyways.

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Reply # 19463 31-Aug-2005 21:30

The Nokias sold in NZ through authorised Vodafone dealers have a big red disclaimer in the top of the box saying "Disclaimer: This handset does not support Push To Talk on the Vodafone network." This is obviously necessary due to the PTT promotion on the side of the Nokia boxes.

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Reply # 19467 31-Aug-2005 22:16

Vodafones PTT solution is twice the price of Telecom's with support for one old-fashioned $700 handset and no other user base to communicate with

For die hard vodafone fans only. This was one service they really screwed up on.

Motorola must have done Vodafone a very special deal to gain exclusivity. I heard they had a 2 year contract on the service being only for motorola phones after which date they can release it further to the rest though existing handsets will NOT be supported, only new ones that come to the market. PTT would work on 3g well but on GPRS it's horrid.

Sad, I really liked the Nokia.

makaveli

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Reply # 19477 1-Sep-2005 08:56

i wasnt really going to use PTT
just that since it was an option i thought i'd try it out.
it sux that you need a motorolla fone for PTT, i think thats pretty bad,
but i guess its a little like grand theft auto being exclusive on PS2 and then later coming out on other platforms.

Anyways, i'm not interested in PTT, just wanted to give it a try to see what it was like.
So its not real big deal to me.

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