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Topic # 4897 6-Sep-2005 20:19
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A java MIDlet sends requests and receives (data) responses froma java class in a MIDlet.

What is the data rate that will be charged by Vodafone?

My understanding was ?? that all traffic from MIDlets goes thru the WAP gateway, and therefore any data plans are not used.

Could someone please confirm if the casual WAP data rate of 10c per 10kB applies to java MIDlet originating http data.


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Reply # 19772 6-Sep-2005 20:24
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I would be asking Vodafone directly about their pricing, anything anyone says on here is not official...

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  Reply # 19774 6-Sep-2005 20:34
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I am initially interested in the public official pricing for the scenario i described. Non official answers appreciated...

i can wait for the next monthly bill and find the 'official' answer, but i asked as i was impatient...

We have had spectacular failure trying to discuss anything non-standard / non-consumer with vodafone over the years. Do you have any advise on how to progress attempting obtaining a MIDLEt data traffic pricing contract with Vodafone. until this perhaps may eventualte, i remain intersted in the current pricing.


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Reply # 19776 6-Sep-2005 20:52
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Of course I may be wrong, but... I have notcied both operators are quite inflexible when it comes to negotiating rates.

An example is SMS - when asked how much would be SMS in bulk (by the thousands) Vodafone NZ told me $0.17 excl. GST - but this is the same consumer price, I really want a few thousand SMS... Nope, this is the price.

For example a company wanting to use the Exchange ActiveSync AUTD that is initiated on the Windows Mobile device when a SMS is sent with a notification will not get a better price than the same individual SMS.

In short: you probably get poor response simply because this is the standard. As far as I can tell there is no special stuff, unless you have a very good contact inside the operator.

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  Reply # 19778 6-Sep-2005 21:47
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Thanks for this outlook. It is good to know that the blank we have had in the past is perhaps due to nothing being available, rather than a reflection of our approach.

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  Reply # 19783 6-Sep-2005 21:56
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Acccepting the low probability of negotiated rates it is still of great interest to be able to have sender pays billing...

By this i mean any data charges resulting from traffic to and from our server being billed at $0 to the mobile account holder. Instead to accumulate on our account in agregate, even if still at consumer pricing levels.

On our prepaid subscription service typically costing over $2,000 per year, we do not wish our subscribers to also have to think about data usage.

Thanks for prompt replies everyone in geekzone land!

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  Reply # 19789 7-Sep-2005 00:14
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Vodafones STANDARD Data rates are $10 a megabyte (10c per 10k). they don't have catergorized based pricing.. You always pay as per your pricing plan.

With Vodafone (unlike Telecom) you can buy data bundles and the rate goes down significantly. this rate is used for ALL data, not just PC link data but WAP too.

I have used a Midlet on both a nokia 6225 (telecom) and my 3120 (vodafone) let's say I was shocked when I got my $35 telecom bill, vodafones was about $6

The performance was actually better on Vodafone which kept a semi-continuous connection.
Telecom was always "timing out" during periods of no data and had to keep re-establishing the connection which takes about10 seconds. When it was connected, Telecom Blazed over vodafone in response latency.

(test using CDMA 1x and GPRS on Vodafone)

I should load it onto my 3g handset and try it there.

Good luck in your search.

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  Reply # 19804 7-Sep-2005 12:37
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Forgive me for not knowing exactly what a java MIDlet is but I use Opera Mini and some poker software (java apps?) on my k750i and all data is included/charged with my vf data plan.

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  Reply # 19805 7-Sep-2005 14:04
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Think of a java MIDLet as a java program. Typically games, but in out case an advanced charting and financial data terminal...

I think your experience with bundled games and their traffic is a seperate issue. Ta.

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Reply # 19814 7-Sep-2005 20:42
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What phones / devices does this run on ?

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  Reply # 19815 7-Sep-2005 20:50
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any java capable handset that can have a MIDLET downloaded onto it.
Note some handset do not have OTA (over the air) capability, but can still have a MIDLET loaded on via a PC and a cable or IRDa or bluetooth.

Our charting and analysis java application for mobile phones does require the minimum java MIDP 1.0 capability. JAR size is not too bad, and memory requirement vary to suit the available memory on the phone. Caching of historical price data occurs where memory allows the prices to be stored on the handset to reduce network traffic. This caching and retrieval of data is automatic.

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