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Topic # 5707 19-Nov-2005 16:43
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Hi Everyone,

There is good program covering NZ mobile market on Sunday (20th November) on TV ONE at 19:30

As per the OECD findings NZ is the most costliest country in term of Mobile communications.

Let us hope we learn more from the experts.

Have great weekend.

Chris

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Reply # 23546 19-Nov-2005 17:38
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What's your issue they are both private run companies there is nothing stopping you from building a network and providing a mobile service. How would you like it if the government came along and told you how to run a business you own. No wonder
not many people want to start a business here if some stick in the mud does not like it they throw there arms up and down.



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  Reply # 23550 19-Nov-2005 17:55
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There shoul dbe fair compitition in the market for consumers benefit as Telecommunication comes under "Essential services" and have been deregulated.

The tommunications costs is a killer for small and medium size business and today they do not have choice to go to third company.

Hope John you would understand the POINT and think about it and will not post reply till you see the program tomorrow.

 
 
 
 


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Reply # 23553 19-Nov-2005 18:16
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johnr: What's your issue they are both private run companies there is nothing stopping you from building a network and providing a mobile service.


With all due respect, John, this is simply not true. I have three words for you : Resource Management Act.



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  Reply # 23601 21-Nov-2005 10:42
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Vodafone even refuse to come live on the interview to discuss the pricing issue in New Zealand. And Telecom spoke person continued to claim " We give what New Zealander wants".

I guess Govt will be takimng some action on this "DUOPOLY" and save the consumers and specially small business some $$$ to put back in their business and survive longer.

Thank you SUNDAY team to bring this out in open.

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  Reply # 23602 21-Nov-2005 10:51

I would say: it's sad that only TVNZ Sunday brought this up so far.
This issue should be on the cover of NZ Herald with big letters!!!

Because many people missed the program yesterday...

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  Reply # 23605 21-Nov-2005 11:20

The Telecom spokesperson was their head of mobile.
It was an interesting watch, any movement forward in telecommunications pricing is welcomed but there are a ton of issues around it all.

I believe there is room to regulate because Vodafone won't walk away from their investment nor will Telecom and if margins did come down and some barriers to entry were removed there could be more competition but the situation exists like this for many historic reasons

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  Reply # 23606 21-Nov-2005 11:33
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charris1955 I watched the programme and found it interesting but still don't beleive they matched apples with apples. I bet the interconnect fees are cheaper in OZ and there population is much higher (more customers per provider). I found it very interesting how the real estate agent lady will save over $200 per month by switching to a " You Choose " plan.

Woosh built there own network and have built it from the ground up sounds like econet wireless are just sour puss cause things are not handed to them on a golden platter.

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  Reply # 23610 21-Nov-2005 14:00
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Econet only ever intended to build a network in NZ with the forced mandatory roaming, Hauraki trust put significant pressure on the govt regarding this. Econet are not exactly the good guys anyway (read about the corruption in Zimbabwe) and probably never intended to invest marge amounts of money in NZ - there is far greater money to be made rolling out wireless networks in Africa than there will be in most other western countries.

Having said that the RMA in NZ is part of the problem, it's simply not possible for another player to come here and roll out their own network no matter how many $$ they have as obtaining consent to build sites is part of the problem. What I fail to understand however is why Vodafone, Telecom and Woosh still refuse to come to the party when it comes to sharing infastructure. There are sites out there (primarily buildings rather than masts) where gear is co-sited, the cost savings that would be obtained for all parties if they could sit down and build a tower with everybody's panels on it would be significant. In the UK and even Austalia a lot of the masts are not owned by the networks but infastructure providers, it seems to make a lot of sence to me..




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  Reply # 23611 21-Nov-2005 14:32
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I agree it was not apple to apple comparision, Because there is no other APPLE as NZ in OECD to compare. Australia is much larger country and much sperad out than New Zealand.

FIJI which is 850K people and Vodafone is offering NZD 0.15 for post paid and NZD 0.17 for prepaid.

I think it is time to regulate and govenment to pitch in and control the prices for small business to survive and New Zealander to get fair price.

Some how balance is to be achieved. There are various ways to do it, make local mobile calls with NZ cheaper and make incomming mobile call into NZ bit expensive.

Three years back NZD was 0.48 and now it is 0.685 of USD. The appreciation of Dollar is not good as NZ economy is dependent on Exports, but some people feel, but we are getting cheap holidays abroad. - Balance is required

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  Reply # 24192 3-Dec-2005 19:19
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Hi guys, I thought I would post my first message here.

It's all very well to demand and say Vodafone and Telecom are charging too much, however over the years Vodafone in particular has been dropping prices and trying to provide the best service it can.

You can even see the standard price for calls between 021 has dropped from 1.39$ to .49c.

I also think most shows such as the one you're talking about are generally shown to get ratings and show the big bad companies taking advantage of the little guys with information curved to point to this and information that doesn't is left out.

Anyway, interested to read any replies.

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  Reply # 24212 4-Dec-2005 09:59
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casphar: Hi guys, I thought I would post my first message here.

It's all very well to demand and say Vodafone and Telecom are charging too much, however over the years Vodafone in particular has been dropping prices and trying to provide the best service it can.

You can even see the standard price for calls between 021 has dropped from 1.39$ to .49c.
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What about the price of 021 -> PSTN connections? Termination rates for PSTN calls are so low now they are virtually non existant yet they hasn't dropped. Motormouth also but the established typical peak time call rate up from 99c to $1.39 and now You Choose has put it up to $1.09

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  Reply # 24213 4-Dec-2005 10:20
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I'm looking at Vodafones website at the moment and it appears as though you can call land lines for .49c/per minute on Motormouth, obviously not all plans have this but that is why Vodafone gives you the option of what plan you want.

There seem to be all sorts of options on the website that could fit in with what you want, you just need to decide what you want to do and the best value you can get from the plans they have on offer.

As far as overall price it does look to me that Vodafone is trying to bring the prices down as they can introduce new services to make up the revenue loss.

I would also say that the revenue that Vodafone takes is reinvested well into the network and services they provide, obviously everyone wants the prices to drop, but that seems to be the case in any business/customer relationship and I'm sure Vodafone will do whatever they can to keep customers happy.

I can't comment on how Telecoms prices go as I don't use them, but I think both companies play well off each other, promotions, reductions in prices and new services to compete with each other.

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  Reply # 24234 5-Dec-2005 00:50

this will not change the fact that NZ is one of the most expensive country in term of mobile communication. Both Telecom and Vodafone.

And reinvesting? Yes thats what they have to do to keep up with the opponents. Vodafone is investing "back" (as you say) into the network in other countries as well, why they have no this high minute prices for calls there??




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