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Topic # 6230 9-Jan-2006 02:19
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(and where's the cute "troll" smiley???)

Vodafone have interesting ways of making themselves sounds "Wonderful" when they are just really a flash Facade offering unreliable Consumer-grade services.

They boast about "we have so many connections"
Many of these are in fact short-term Simcard users from overseas.
ARPU per Vodafone PrePay is made up of of these overseas callers using them for overseas calls!

Telecom are really doing a better job, they have to sell a $100 (min) phone to at least get someone onto their network, Someone coming from overseas will just opt for a $35 Simcard and use their Existing phone, really!

They Push that horrible Vodafone-LIVE! portal as their mainstay product a usless, unrealiable and overpriced service.

They butcher (force) all Wap2.0 phones to be "customised" with every second menu option linking to VLIVE! (My panasonic VS2 arrived here sane and normal but had harvey normal get the VLIVE firmware loaded in before sale, that's how far they go.)

They are always in the news for gross overcharging, and go at snails pace to get it resolved. But, dare you to pay $5 less on your bill, the'll send Baycorp after you, Bar your simcard and make your life a misery. (telecom ARE more lenient apart from the $6 late fees)

Telecom are in the news for minor things, like contracted agents using unfair sales tactics, Putting up global prepaid pricing to $1.29, then $1.35, then $1.39 after promising a small range of customers 99c peak for life via a sticker on a box, being a "monopoly" (though Woosh proved it's possible to cut the telecom ties and the rest of the greedy telco's just want it on a platter handouts)

Vodafone seems to be in the news for much more major stuff.

3g (UMTS) sucks, has Shocking in-building coverage, is diabolically slow compared to other services on offer and is so patchy it's a consumer grade gimmick to sell 3g handsets and push VLIVE.


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Reply # 25916 9-Jan-2006 03:09
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I pretty much agree 100% over the overcharging and Vlive stuff.

Given the 'speed' of how quickly they are fixing my overcharging issues (since September 2005)... I'll be switching over when it comes to buying a new handset. Will probably look at the Apache or something similar (love smartphones/PDA's :P ). Expect to see some posts sooner or later asking about various things about charges etc.

No doubt our posts are going to be rubbished (one way or the other) soon.




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  Reply # 25919 9-Jan-2006 09:17
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well i would like to use Telecom, if they are operating GSM (or with SIM card)... otherwise my choice will be Vodafone (or possibly a new GSM company).

Reason why? well... I do travel back and forth to Asia, and which mean I could pick up a SIM card for use while i'm away for my travel and not have to worry about my CDMA phone won't work etc.


Though, NZ's mobile service is a Duopoly, you have Telecom with CDMA, and Vodafone with GSM... where's the real competition? None to avail.




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  Reply # 25936 9-Jan-2006 14:39
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well thought out and appropriately written post. i happen to agree with it too....

i miss being able to swap sim cards around though.... even though i can do an ESN change at the drop of a hat.




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  Reply # 25954 9-Jan-2006 19:15

I think econet should join up with telecom and they both fund a GSM and WCDMA network and use telecoms exsisting towers...... That way we would have a 3rd teleco and telecom would have gsm :)



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  Reply # 25975 9-Jan-2006 22:01
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Oooh, that econet suggestion looks the part. Telecoms choice of networks is very ideal and does not have the horrid in-building penetration UMTS has however they are unfairly restrained by their roaming, they should push the GSM loan handset again, I used to have a permamnent SIM connected to Telecom and their rates were better than Vodafones. It's still (if you can get one) much cheaper to roam to Australia using a loan GSM phone than a CDMA.

but realistically, If you are going overseas, most consumers would buy a cheap $80 GSM phone (often cheaper still in some contries) and a local sim in the country they are visiting.

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  Reply # 26040 10-Jan-2006 11:57
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paradoxsm: (and where's the cute "troll" smiley???)

Vodafone have interesting ways of making themselves sounds "Wonderful" when they are just really a flash Facade offering unreliable Consumer-grade services.

They boast about "we have so many connections"
Many of these are in fact short-term Simcard users from overseas.
ARPU per Vodafone PrePay is made up of of these overseas callers using them for overseas calls!

Telecom are really doing a better job, they have to sell a $100 (min) phone to at least get someone onto their network, Someone coming from overseas will just opt for a $35 Simcard and use their Existing phone, really!

They Push that horrible Vodafone-LIVE! portal as their mainstay product a usless, unrealiable and overpriced service.

They butcher (force) all Wap2.0 phones to be "customised" with every second menu option linking to VLIVE! (My panasonic VS2 arrived here sane and normal but had harvey normal get the VLIVE firmware loaded in before sale, that's how far they go.)

They are always in the news for gross overcharging, and go at snails pace to get it resolved. But, dare you to pay $5 less on your bill, the'll send Baycorp after you, Bar your simcard and make your life a misery. (telecom ARE more lenient apart from the $6 late fees)

Telecom are in the news for minor things, like contracted agents using unfair sales tactics, Putting up global prepaid pricing to $1.29, then $1.35, then $1.39 after promising a small range of customers 99c peak for life via a sticker on a box, being a "monopoly" (though Woosh proved it's possible to cut the telecom ties and the rest of the greedy telco's just want it on a platter handouts)

Vodafone seems to be in the news for much more major stuff.

3g (UMTS) sucks, has Shocking in-building coverage, is diabolically slow compared to other services on offer and is so patchy it's a consumer grade gimmick to sell 3g handsets and push VLIVE.


FLAME ME!!!!!, But it's sadly true.



You obviously have a major hangup about Vodafone, which is fine in itself. I don't like Telecom, for many reasons, especially with regards to their landline/broadband monopoly.

However you don't see me incessantly whinging about Telecom & they way in which you go on, anyone would think you are fixated with Vodafone.

Honestly, let it go, it's not healthy or worth going on incessantly like you do & is ultimately counter-productive.

You hate Vodafone, but there is a bridge out there...........somewhere...........


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Reply # 26041 10-Jan-2006 12:25
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No you don't incessantly whinge but it is obviously from your posts that you are not a TCom fan. Just a one-eyed vodaphoney.

Well the government sold the copper, get over it and move on. I am sure there is a bridge for you out there some where as well.

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  Reply # 26043 10-Jan-2006 12:46
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Jama: No you don't incessantly whinge but it is obviously from your posts that you are not a TCom fan. Just a one-eyed vodaphoney.

Well the government sold the copper, get over it and move on. I am sure there is a bridge for you out there some where as well.


Haha! Whatever you say Mr One Eyed Telecon Lover :-)


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Reply # 26045 10-Jan-2006 12:50
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Back at ya Mr Vodaphoney

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Reply # 26046 10-Jan-2006 12:59
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Guys, guys... Let's try and make this a good discussion on the pros and cons of each operator - but not a personal vendetta system.





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