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Topic # 7758 7-May-2006 14:43
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Anyone found a way to stream live Saturn over a network ?

I'm using win xp and a Hauppage WinTV pvr-150.
I send the picture to a TV using the TV out of a Geforce mx440.

I can stream recorded Saturn using VLC (basically just streaming a file).

If I start recording Saturn with WinTV2000, I can then stream the file as it records.

This has the drawback in that after awhile there is going to be one huge file
 that could eventually fill up my hard drive. It's harder to setup also.

Maybe someone here has another angle ?
I would consider linux solutions.

Hope this isn't too off topics as it doesn't have much to do with Saturn, but I
see there are a few serious PVR users here.

Thanks,
~art

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Reply # 35155 7-May-2006 16:14
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Just use Windows Media Encoder to encode direct from the TV card, it sounds like you've trying to make things very complicated for yourself!

Download WME, set it to encode a live stream, choose your TV card, set the channel and you're away.


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Reply # 35157 7-May-2006 16:57
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Thanks Sbiddle, I'll look into WME.

I'm downloading Unreal Media Server at the moment which may also do the trick but I'll check out WME first.

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Reply # 35172 8-May-2006 08:38
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if WME doesn't work, use VLC

on my pc WME crashes for some reason with my winfast tv200 xpert...

but VLC is sweet, pretty easy to use if your a true geek...

alos can stream dvd over a network too,... work on windows mac and linux....

what i want is saturn over the internet so at school i can watch my favourite cartoons!

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Reply # 35179 8-May-2006 11:33
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Thanks Ljbade. I tried VLC and could stream recorded shows over a network
 or start a recording of a show using wintv2000 and then stream the recording as it recorded.
However I could not stream live tv without having it record. I didn't think VLC could do this
except under linux but not with my pvr card.

Did you ever manage to stream live TV with VLC ?

I could not download WME as my internet connected pc is not windows XP (my PVR pc is not yet connected)
 and microsoft wants to validate your pc. It also wants to install an exe file if you try and download with
 firefox to check out your pc. So no luck there but I'll try out WME when I am connected in a couple of weeks.
I looked at the instructions for WME and it looks very easy to use.

I did try Unreal media server and this worked in the sense that I could stream live tv but
 unfortunately it was too choppy to be watchable. This looks like great software though, and it's free.
It can also stream a screenshot. I haven't tried this yet. Maybe this won't need so much processing.

It has made me realise that because my pc is low spec (duron 800), live tv streaming will probably only work
if I can stream the output directly from the PVR-150 so that the PVR-150 does all the processing.

Any software that encodes the output from the PVR will not have the horsepower and will probably produce choppy output.

Until I can buy a cheap , low powered replacement, I don't think I'll be upgrading. The Duron 800 is great because
it only produces about 35w of heat so I have a system that is fanless except for a power supply that draws air over a flower heat sink on the cpu. The geforce mx440 is fanless. Motherboard monitor tells me the cpu temp is 44C which is fine.... and I just bought another duron 800 and motherboard for $45 from trademe....just need got some cheap pc133 sdram.
Initially the TV was a bit choppy at times, but with a bit of windows and PVR tweaking it seems pretty good.

The best solution might be to split the signal from the Saturn box and feed it to a cheap TV card in the other pc.

Thanks again all.



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Reply # 35309 9-May-2006 19:12
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If you are on windows (should apply to other OS's, but linux uses Video4Linux instead of directshow)

Go file -> open capture stream

Click both refresh list buttons and setup you video and sound card...

then check stream output at the bottom, but dont touch caching... (i think this makes it save the file...)

click settings and set up the netowrk stuff...

on my machine doing this streams it live without recording which is what you want...

or try the wizard

this link will take you to more information from the offical streaming howto fir vlc:
http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ch02.html

here is the table of contents:
http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/streaming-howto-en.html

this section covers tv cards:
http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ch10.html

the wizard ahould make it real easy to set up a stream.

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Reply # 35497 11-May-2006 10:53
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Thanks Ljbade.
Good to know this is possible.
I've read all the documentation but I am still having problems with this however.
 I spent about 5 hours on it yesterday but without success.

Both pc's are running winxp sp2.

I tried using the wizard, and the menus, and the command line, but without luck
 and I honestly can't work out what's the holdup.

I can stream using ddshow locally so ddshow is detecting the card and producing a stream.

I can stream a file so my ip addresses are correct and I can't think of anything that would let
me stream a file but not a ddshow stream except perhaps a directx incompatibilty between
the pc's. Both pc's are however running directx 9.0c.

I have turned off the firewalls, both windows and Kerio Firewall.

I can share files between the pc's.

I can stream live TV using unreal media server but I don't know if this uses ddshow or not,
 and it is too choppy to be of any use. I might try and find out how this software works and duplicate
the setting using VLC.

Possibly I need to create users for the respective pc's on each pc ? I'm grasping at straws here.

I am building a new pc in a few days so will try streaming to this pc. The one I am streaming to is
an old install that I use for playing games. It has no internet access intentionally cos of all the dodgy
 nocd cracks I've installed to save me having to find my cd's.
Maybe I turned off a neccessary service once upon a time.

Unless anyone has any ideas of what the problem may be I will put this project on hold for a few days
and do some real work.

Thanks again Ljbade.

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Reply # 35509 11-May-2006 12:04
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I've found the problem. VLC doesn't support streaming directly from a PVR-150. I need to trancode it first.
There is a thread in the VLC forums about this and if I could cut and paste in this forum I would have pasted the link.

Now I can do some real work....rats.

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Reply # 35570 12-May-2006 10:57
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Yes, please, or can you post a link to a thread in the VLC forums. I'm interested in this as well.

BTW: Frown I'm not from Japan, I'm from Wellington, don't why it shows the japan flag,

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Reply # 35606 12-May-2006 16:53
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Could you please be a bit more clear? I can't understand your question.

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Reply # 35607 12-May-2006 17:14
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ljbade: Could you please be a bit more clear? I can't understand your question.

Actually I replied to art last post, sorry for misunderstanding.

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Reply # 35628 13-May-2006 07:29
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01eg,
The forums are at
forum.videolan.org
Look in the VLC stream-output forum. A search on pvr-150 should find it, but no promises.

By the way , VLC  0.8.5 was released May 6th. I haven't tried it out but the changelog doesn't mention anything that will help me.

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Reply # 35681 14-May-2006 17:30
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Art: Ok, thank you, keep posting your results.

art



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Reply # 35771 15-May-2006 17:00
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01EG,
I'm probably not going to do much more on this. Might try WME if I can get a copy.

My solution involves finding some software that can recognise the pvr-150's output and stream this without having to transcode it first.
If the software has to transcode the output first, my processor is simply not going to be able to handle it. The duron 800 is well under spec for the pvr-150 which recommends a piii 1.2Ghz.

However if you have a more powerful processor this may not be a problem for you. I had no problems streaming with Unreal media server, which is free. It was just that the output was too choppy to be watchable.

Post back if you find a solution and I'll do likewise.

I may try and swap my duron 800 for a via m10000. The M10000 has an mpeg encoder/decoder in it I think, so may be better suited to transcoding. It is also dam near silent as it runs off a power pack and I can throttle down the small cpu fan.

The only problem is that I get lots of interference on the sound channel. I Have a usb sound card so I might try and hook this up and see if this helps.

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Reply # 36959 29-May-2006 08:45
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art,

try FlyDS, the software allow you to stream the video over your network without recording it to a file. I tried at home with my Hauppuage-150 and it work s fine, unfortunately the software is shareware.

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