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Topic # 87847 8-Aug-2011 20:41
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I went in to organise naked broadband today for my Mt Eden, Auckland home. From a coverage map it looked like we would soon be in an area serviced by the Vodafone network. Instead I was told that as telecom is installing fibre (I assume Gigabit Passive Optical Network) to our local exchange, there were no plans to offer the red network.

Hmp.

It looked like Vodafone has been gazumped again.

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  Reply # 503561 8-Aug-2011 20:59
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I suspect you've completely misunderstood what's been told to you - Vodafone haven't been "gazumped" in any way, shape or firm. You probably aren't getting fibre yet either.

Looking at the Telecom Wholesale site Chorus are deploying new fibre fed cabinets in the Mt Eden area at present. 19 new cabinets were installed last month and 8 cabinets go live this month. This means that the average home user should receive sync rates averaging ~14Mbps and peak speeds of ~18Mbps.

When ULL providers such as Vodafone chose to install equipment they only installed it in exchanges, despite the fact that close to 75% of homes will be fed from cabinets by the end of the year. This means they can only provide ULL services (ie the Red network) to a very small number of households. If you're connected to a cabinet like the vast majority of homes you can have your connection from Vodafone but via Telecom Wholesale because Vodafone (along with all other ULL providers) simply can't build a business case to install equipment in 3500 cabinets around the country.

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  Reply # 503608 8-Aug-2011 22:47
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Vodafone also offer Naked DSL outside of the red network... I'm using it right now!



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  Reply # 504001 9-Aug-2011 18:19
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All noted, but I can't get the cheapest deal for naked broadband unless Vodafone put their own equipment in my local exchange. My point is that red network is copper based, and telecom is flat out installing fibre. Unless Vodafone get access to this fibre, they will end up with a 'last generation' copper network.

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  Reply # 504004 9-Aug-2011 18:27
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, sorry dont like to sound rude but you are poking a stick at the wrong thing.

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  Reply # 504021 9-Aug-2011 19:03
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I'm paying $65 for 45 gb naked dsl and am not on the red network - just because the signup webpage says you're outside the Red area doesn't mean you can't get the deal.

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  Reply # 504042 9-Aug-2011 19:47
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prob: All noted, but I can't get the cheapest deal for naked broadband unless Vodafone put their own equipment in my local exchange. My point is that red network is copper based, and telecom is flat out installing fibre. Unless Vodafone get access to this fibre, they will end up with a 'last generation' copper network.

To be clear, it is Vodafone which has said they are not installing their equipment in the exchange - because of a lack of business case due to cabinetization.

Vodafone has access to the cabinets, they just don't want to use them. Because of the previously mentioned lack of business case.



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  Reply # 504044 9-Aug-2011 19:51
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prob: All noted, but I can't get the cheapest deal for naked broadband unless Vodafone put their own equipment in my local exchange. My point is that red network is copper based, and telecom is flat out installing fibre. Unless Vodafone get access to this fibre, they will end up with a 'last generation' copper network.


I'd hate to say it but you're totally off track here and really are speaking about something you clearly know nothing about.

I suggest you read the Chorus website and learn a little about the Cabinetisation project here which was mandated by the government to deliver a minimum of 10Mbps to the vast majority of homes in NZ.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with access to fibre. ULL providers such as Vodafone DO already have equipment in exchanges - the problem you are facing is that exchanges provide service to a small number of homes, with the vast majority served from cabinets, and Vodafone (along with every other telco in NZ) have made a business decision not to install equipment in cabinets. There is nothing stopping them, other than the economics of doing so.




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  Reply # 504239 10-Aug-2011 10:42
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LOL - I thought this topic was going to be about the "red zone" in chch :)


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