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#2601364 10-Nov-2020 21:55

thelonepinetree:

Right, so the message to general public (millions of people?) who wouldn't have a clue about any of that - buy a new phone because it might or might not work when you really need it.

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Every iPhone since the iPhone6 that came out in 2015 has VoLTE support. Just about every Samsung handset released in NZ in the last 3 or so years has VoLTE support, and a significant number of recent Huawei handsets have VoLTE. Together these brands make up close to 90% of all mobile phones sold in NZ.

I think the fair assumption is that yes we should warn people if the 3G network gets turned off and we purely rely on VoLTE and 4G sites but most won't even notice unless you're either under that 10% or in a really awkward area.

Not to mention 2degrees and VoWiFi is great for home with areas without cell tower coverage so you can fill in the gaps even more!

Also VoLTE is still in it's infancy. Give it time. Give RCG time too to expand their sites. Give telco's more time too they could expand their approved list!

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#2601365 10-Nov-2020 21:57

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thelonepinetree:

Right, so the message to general public (millions of people?) who wouldn't have a clue about any of that - buy a new phone because it might or might not work when you really need it.

100% correct and the reason why is because Technology changes

Glad you have now worked this out

I really like the simplistic view you have on this issue.

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#2601367 10-Nov-2020 21:59

MaxineN:

Give telco's more time too they could expand their approved list!

It would be more beneficial to the consumer to have them open up and standardise instead of trying to protect their shareholder dividends.

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#2601368 10-Nov-2020 22:00

thelonepinetree:

MaxineN:

Give telco's more time too they could expand their approved list!

It would be more beneficial to the consumer to have them open up and standardise instead of trying to protect their shareholder dividends.

Who says this is all for the shareholder? This is getting really silly now.

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#2601372 10-Nov-2020 22:05

@thelonepinetree I don't see an issue just someone with a imported handset that has turned into ' Karen '

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#2601373 10-Nov-2020 22:08

thelonepinetree:

MaxineN:

Give telco's more time too they could expand their approved list!

It would be more beneficial to the consumer to have them open up and standardise instead of trying to protect their shareholder dividends.

Please provide evidence of this? The Share holders I would say are the tax payers

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#2601374 10-Nov-2020 22:09

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@thelonepinetree I don't see an issue just someone with a imported handset that has turned into ' Karen '

It's starting to get personal. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. And in my opinion there is a serious problem. Last time I raised or tagged with someone else raising here a problem, 2degrees ended up owning up to it on mainstream news.

I think I've shared my reasons, and you have shared yours, enough said.

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#2601375 10-Nov-2020 22:11

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@thelonepinetree I don't see an issue just someone with a imported handset that has turned into ' Karen '

It's starting to get personal. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. And in my opinion there is a serious problem. Last time I raised or tagged with someone else raising here a problem, 2degrees ended up owning up to it on mainstream news.

I think I've shared my reasons, and you have shared yours, enough said.

This is not a problem that is the point! " It is working as designed "

If end users want VoLTE they will upgrade the hardware

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#2601441 10-Nov-2020 23:11

I used to buy parallel imported phones all the time as they were cheaper, but I found some features didn't work, and the dealer didn't have a clue on how to get them working.

I find now it's better just to get it directly from the mobile company. At least if it dies or something fails, I can go back to the shop and say "hey, this doesn't work, please fix it". Also it will work anywhere there is coverage.

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#2601472 11-Nov-2020 07:32

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Lias:

I ...

Joe Blow can walk into a PBTech today, and purchase a 2020 released, $1500+ phone that isn't on the VoLTE supported list of any of the major Telco's. That's a big problem for them, that they need to do something about and if they don't it could end up the biggest Telco PR disaster since the XT launch..

Can confirm that every single >$1,500 phone currently on sale at PBTECH supports VoLTE. It’s useful to use actual facts - the Trump technique has been proven to not work.

Ironic, you accuse me of lacking facts when you are the one who is either deliberatly twisting what I said or you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

PBTech is the NZ authorised reseller of OnePLus phones, so not a parallel importer, and the Oneplus 8 Pro is a 2020 relaesed, $1500+ phone, sold by them, that isn't on the VoLTE supported list of any of the major Telco's. Exactly like I said.

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#2601478 11-Nov-2020 07:41

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thelonepinetree:

Right, so the message to general public (millions of people?) who wouldn't have a clue about any of that - buy a new phone because it might or might not work when you really need it.

100% correct and the reason why is because Technology changes

Glad you have now worked this out

Except they can buy a brand new phone, and unless they buy it from the Telco's themselves, potentially still have that issue because the phone might not be supported by the carriers.

If the carriers want to save money by deploying 4g only towers, maybe the solution is simply for MBIE to require every carrier to support a VoLTE config for every single VoLTE handset ever released.

Whatever the solution is, it must be in the best interests of the public, who won't understand or care and just want their phones to always work, and that will only come with the carriers being forced by regulators to spend money they don't want to spend.

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#2601485 11-Nov-2020 07:51

Lias:

Ironic, you accuse me of lacking facts when you are the one who is either deliberatly twisting what I said or you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

PBTech is the NZ authorised reseller of OnePLus phones, so not a parallel importer, and the Oneplus 8 Pro is a 2020 relaesed, $1500+ phone, sold by them, that isn't on the VoLTE supported list of any of the major Telco's. Exactly like I said.

Does it support VoLTE, or not?

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#2601486 11-Nov-2020 07:53

BlinkyBill:

Lias:

Ironic, you accuse me of lacking facts when you are the one who is either deliberatly twisting what I said or you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

PBTech is the NZ authorised reseller of OnePLus phones, so not a parallel importer, and the Oneplus 8 Pro is a 2020 relaesed, $1500+ phone, sold by them, that isn't on the VoLTE supported list of any of the major Telco's. Exactly like I said.

Does it support VoLTE, or not?

Yes it does but not without changing the profile within PDC. Which then breaks when you go to Android 11.

Even then expect literally zero support from the telco if you get it working and then it stops working when you need it because it hasn't been certified or approved to work.

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#2601501 11-Nov-2020 08:18

I don't think that is acceptable that VoLTE cannot be used on any VoLTE-capable phones in NZ. It doesn't matter whether it is 10%, 1% or 0.1% of such phones.

There's so much splitting of hairs around what proportion is acceptable. It's just not acceptable to some of us and that is not going to change.

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thelonepinetree:

Let's define the "compatible device" in the context of this: A compatible device is one chosen from a limited selection of devices selected by a provider, with custom software and bloatware, that is designed to work on that provider's network AND might or might not be able to make VoLTE calls on competitor's network.

Can we all accept that this "limited selection of handsets" statement is simply not correct?

Every iPhone since the iPhone6 that came out in 2015 has VoLTE support. Just about every Samsung handset released in NZ in the last 3 or so years has VoLTE support, and a significant number of recent Huawei handsets have VoLTE. Together these brands make up close to 90% of all mobile phones sold in NZ.

The OP's statement is correct because "limited" firstly means "Restricted in size, amount, or extent". Limited does also mean "few, small, or short." So you're both using the word correctly, just differently.

https://www.lexico.com/definition/limited

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#2601513 11-Nov-2020 08:51

thelonepinetree:

MaxineN:

Give telco's more time too they could expand their approved list!

It would be more beneficial to the consumer to have them open up and standardise instead of trying to protect their shareholder dividends.

What I'm really intrigued by is that you're still accusing the "greedy telcos" of being the cause of the problem. The real world reality here is that Google are fundamentally the root cause of the problem you believe is happening, and that is something you really need to understand and accept.

Carrier packs for iOS mean that all iPhone's have always had full support on any supported network - whether this be VoLTE or settings such as band/carrier aggregation. The massive fragmentation in the Android market means things simply don't work as well.

For literally the entire life of Android buying a parallel imported phone or using one from another network has always been fraught with potential issues. Many people don't necessarily see the issues that can result from this, but for others the issues can be very obvious - poor signal, low data speeds and poor battery life just to name a few.

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