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Topic # 160621 13-Jan-2015 22:25
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Currently I have a few friends/family in Tawa Wellington sharing a 200Mbps UFB connection via a secure wireless network.

There is however one house I can't quite get to, so I am looking for anyone who currently lives in Tawa, preferably on the hill, to bounce a signal off. They in turn will get a share of a 200Mbps unlimited UFB connection.

Currently every house pays $30 for unlimited access, however this goes down as more people join. If your house is a big help to me, I could even arrange to give you free internet.

Reliability is very good. The core network is on battery backup and I give notice when I perform maintenance. Each connection is separate from another for security.

PM me if your interested.



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  Reply # 1213439 13-Jan-2015 23:05
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^ Who is this guy?

I'm pretty sure this is against TCs of most ISPs.
If you want to run your own ISP, you have to purchase dedicated bandwidth off a provider.

Last thread you created, indicated you were staying with Snap.


I wonder what Snap would say about this?




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6. You must not resell the service(s) to others without the express written permission of an authorised Snap representative.

http://www.snap.net.nz/snap/termsofservice




Hope he's got written permission from Snap...







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  Reply # 1213440 13-Jan-2015 23:19
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Not to worry. We don't worry about breaching terms and conditions on this forum. That's not illegal, and therefore absolutely okey dokey.


Especially if the company who's ts and Cs are being breached are still getting paid. In that case, they should be absolutely fine with having the terms they put in the contract breached, right?

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  Reply # 1213444 13-Jan-2015 23:25
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All it'll take is somebody to download some really really dodgy material and OP ends up behind bars because his name is on the account, why don't people understand this?




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  Reply # 1213445 13-Jan-2015 23:27
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michaelmurfy: All it'll take is somebody to download some really really dodgy material and OP ends up behind bars because his name is on the account, why don't people understand this?



Because in NZ... its all worth it for a measly $30 per month lol.




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  Reply # 1213460 14-Jan-2015 00:14
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I'm sure it's also a pure layer 3 network with no isolation from each other so just wait for the latest zero day to spread across the network.

Just so wrong on so many levels.

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  Reply # 1213484 14-Jan-2015 02:39
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michaelmurfy: All it'll take is somebody to download some really really dodgy material and OP ends up behind bars because his name is on the account, why don't people understand this?


That's a bit of an exaggeration ... I would hope that the prosecuting authority would do a proper investigation first before the OP ended up behind bars. It's been shown in cases overseas (and I'm sure locally, haven't checked) that having your name tied to an IP is not enough to prove ones guilt alone. Sure the OP may end up having his equipment seized for forensic investigation for a while but he certainly won't be put 'behind bars' anytime soon. This isn't the Middle East.

As for the topic, plenty of people have discussed doing this on GZ or admitted to doing so. Not a week goes by without someone asking the best method for sharing a connection between different sites. Why the witch hunt this time?

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  Reply # 1213486 14-Jan-2015 04:41
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Yep I hang off my work connection because I cant get UFB where my house is.

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  Reply # 1213497 14-Jan-2015 06:25
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kingjj: As for the topic, plenty of people have discussed doing this on GZ or admitted to doing so. Not a week goes by without someone asking the best method for sharing a connection between different sites. Why the witch hunt this time?


The reason why is normally when we have seen posts or commented on people sharing the internet it has been situations like a farmer couldn't get dsl. In that situation I have recommended checking out the maps and talking to their neighbours who can and asking if they can install their own connection into their neighbours house and the first person plays for the connection.

This is someone effectively running a service with who knows how many people connected up to it, presumably for a profit. This is so they can bounce wifi through their house so they can add yet another person to the network.
It sounds a lot like they are a wireless ISP to me as we don't know how many are covered in the frieNDA network. So any torrents or even worse unlawful content falls on whoever is the account holder.

And you think these two use cases are the same???

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  Reply # 1213498 14-Jan-2015 06:35
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kingjj: As for the topic, plenty of people have discussed doing this on GZ or admitted to doing so. Not a week goes by without someone asking the best method for sharing a connection between different sites. Why the witch hunt this time?


The reason why is normally when we have seen posts or commented on people sharing the internet it has been situations like a farmer couldn't get dsl. In that situation I have recommended checking out the maps and talking to their neighbours who can and asking if they can install their own connection into their neighbours house and the first person plays for the connection.

This is someone effectively running a service with who knows how many people connected up to it, presumably for a profit. This is so they can bounce wifi through their house so they can add yet another person to the network.
It sounds a lot like they are a wireless ISP to me as we don't know how many are covered in the frieNDA network. So any torrents or even worse unlawful content falls on whoever is the account holder.

And you thing these two use cases are the same???


So you are ok with this so long as the people who connect cant get UFB, which in Tawa is most of the place currently.

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  Reply # 1213505 14-Jan-2015 07:10
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kingjj:
michaelmurfy: All it'll take is somebody to download some really really dodgy material and OP ends up behind bars because his name is on the account, why don't people understand this?


That's a bit of an exaggeration ... I would hope that the prosecuting authority would do a proper investigation first before the OP ended up behind bars. It's been shown in cases overseas (and I'm sure locally, haven't checked) that having your name tied to an IP is not enough to prove ones guilt alone. Sure the OP may end up having his equipment seized for forensic investigation for a while but he certainly won't be put 'behind bars' anytime soon. This isn't the Middle East.



Overseas cases mean nothing. NZ law says the account holder is responsible, and we already have plenty of precedence with S93 cases to show this is exactly how out law is interpreted.
 

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  Reply # 1213513 14-Jan-2015 07:41
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kiwitrc: So you are ok with this so long as the people who connect cant get UFB, which in Tawa is most of the place currently.


Not at all, I'm semi-comfortable with a one to one relationship where someone rural can't get any broadband and they pay to have service at another persons place who can get service and running a point to point link to achieve it.

The one to many relationship where the one who is responsible for the account and there is no way to track down who of "the many" committed the offence should the police come knocking.

With multiple people as "clients".. would you really want to risk engagement with law enforcement to save a few dollars or to have high speed broadband? Me... The answer would be no.

As an employee of NZs largest ISP, I have seen a number of things..... And hence why I would never share my wifi password with anyone I don't completely trust. And when I do share my wifi it's to a private network that I log the majority of traffic going out to the internet and isn't able to access any of the devices on my internal network.

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  Reply # 1213514 14-Jan-2015 07:43
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I wonder if these two users are the same guy (jjnz1 & Shrapz_nz).

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/threads/495710-Neighborhood-WIFI-network-opinions



Either him or someone else... coincidentally also at the same time wanting to get others to help pay for their internet service.

Also coincidentally happens to be with Snap by a post from 2013.
Looks like he says VDSL, which if I am correct jjnz1 reported here that he moved from Snap VDSL to UFB recently..



I guess this guy is serious about being wellington's newest ISP (albeit off a residential connection provided by Snap - as it looks like right now...).








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  Reply # 1213531 14-Jan-2015 08:22
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NZCrusader: I wonder if these two users are the same guy (jjnz1 & Shrapz_nz).

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/threads/495710-Neighborhood-WIFI-network-opinions



Either him or someone else... coincidentally also at the same time wanting to get others to help pay for their internet service.

Also coincidentally happens to be with Snap by a post from 2013.
Looks like he says VDSL, which if I am correct jjnz1 reported here that he moved from Snap VDSL to UFB recently..



No sorry. I don't use GPforums.

I did some reading before I carefully wrote the OP. I am not selling, only sharing and as far as I can tell sharing is not explicitly mentioned in the T&Cs. I am trying to get internet to my grandmothers house as I am sick of paying for her mobile broadband. This is the easiest and cheapest way, but as the OP mentions I have no line of sight.

Regarding the 3 strikes law, I am fully aware and intend on being fully compliant. I won't be choosing any joe blogs and if I do get a cease letter, I will disconnect that connection. This is purely an experiment to see if I can help other people.

My thoughts into publicly detailing what I am doing is to hopefully allow others around the country to do the same - provide an even lower cost staple of life to people who would not normally need or be able to achieve it.

This experiment has been running for a few years in Tawa, and it has allowed members to try things on the internet that only a 50 or 200 Mbps connection would allow. Generally their connections would only be ADSL2 standards.

FYI all wireless links comply with regs and standards. Users operate on their own VLAN. And as far as my ISP is concerned, I still only use around 200GB per month.





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  Reply # 1213532 14-Jan-2015 08:41
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sharing/selling, you are providing a service for money, to me thats selling as there is a transaction involved

im curious to know what you can do on a 50 or 200mb connection that you cant do on adsl/vdsl?

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  Reply # 1213533 14-Jan-2015 08:42
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Yea, but with all due respect that is several ADSL2+ connections that otherwise an ISP(s) would be profiting from.

Also I think there is a stark difference between sharing your connection with a poor farmer or rural user who cannot get anything more than an old ADSL (congested) buba service and essentially profiteering by going against T&Cs and reselling your own connection.







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