Port NZ mobile number to VOIP

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#198391 7-Jul-2016 11:44

Hi all,

Quick question, is it possible to port NZ mobile numbers to a VOIP service?

Does a service like this exist?

If not, is anyone aware if it's for technical reasons to do with porting agreements, or just a lack of market want?

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#1587564 7-Jul-2016 11:51

I *think* maybe 2Talk lets you do this, just checking with them.

Update: Nope, doesn't appear they do.

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#1587570 7-Jul-2016 11:57

There are a number of NZ VOIP providers including 2 talk who will quite happily provide the service you are looking for

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#1587600 7-Jul-2016 12:40

There are no providers that offer this.

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#1587783 7-Jul-2016 18:14

sbiddle:

There are no providers that offer this.

It appears that I can't read, totally overlooked the most important word "Mobile". my bad.....

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#1587826 7-Jul-2016 18:50

sbiddle:
There are no providers that offer this.

Thanks sbiddle.

Any idea if this isn't possible due to the way mobile number porting currently works?

Just curious that's all.

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#1587835 7-Jul-2016 20:00

profrink:
sbiddle:

There are no providers that offer this.

Thanks sbiddle.

Any idea if this isn't possible due to the way mobile number porting currently works?

Just curious that's all.

Mobile numbers are just that. Mobile. They need to be terminated on a mobile platform, not a fixed line platform. This isn't America were numbers are interchangeable.

It's nothing to do with the porting process, it's simply how the number ranges and rules work.

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#1587876 7-Jul-2016 21:15

sbiddle:

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They need to be terminated on a mobile platform, not a fixed line platform.

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it's simply how the number ranges and rules work.

Are you sure about those statements? After all, 2talk do have their own 'mobile' number allocation (028). I suspect it's more just a case of market forces at play. Ie to be able to port 'mobile numbers' in NZ one has to be party to the mobile number equivalent of the NAD for local-number ranges, and being a party to that deed is a non-trivial expense, therefore simply making it not economical to do so.

But I'd love to be proved wrong!

Can you provide any citation to the rules?

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#1587883 7-Jul-2016 21:23

www.nad.org.nz

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#1587885 7-Jul-2016 21:27

Would be interesting to know if it is technically possible but extremely frowned upon therefore not done,

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#1587886 7-Jul-2016 21:30

I suspect a mobile number could be turned into a fixed line voip number but carriers would still treat it aa a mobile call leg in terms of billing.

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#1587888 7-Jul-2016 21:32

thecatsgoolies: www.nad.org.nz

The NAD (to which I had already referred) is for local number allocations. I was questioning a reference to the specific rules pertaining to terminating mobile number allocations on a 'mobile platform'.

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#1587906 7-Jul-2016 22:22

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thecatsgoolies: www.nad.org.nz

The NAD (to which I had already referred) is for local number allocations. I was questioning a reference to the specific rules pertaining to terminating mobile number allocations on a 'mobile platform'.

NAD administer the allocation of all types of phone number within New Zealand. http://www.nad.org.nz/about/ - however this is seperate from the LMNP (Local and Mobile Number Porting) system, and any telco who wishes may become party to the agreed LMNP process.

The two often go hand in hand, but not always. You can see who is party to the number portability determination (Local and/or Mobile) here: http://www.tcf.org.nz/content/46b23db8-6e56-448a-9bef-c6f02e0a8a31.html and who is party to the NAD here: http://www.nad.org.nz/about/overview/

Application for Local and Mobile number porting are seperate, (I suspect with costs attached to each) - and so the ability to port mobile numbers is probably not worthwhile for a carrier without an actual mobile network.

I doubt there is any insurmountable technical or legal limitation, particularly given that 2Talk (and I expect other providers) have non-geographic number ranges already. I suspect it's a case of low demand, since most people don't want what is essentially a fixed line which is more expensive for others to call.

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#1587950 8-Jul-2016 09:02

Thanks for all the replies.

I was just mulling over an idea the other night which would touch on this area.

Appreciate all the info!