2talk: 2 sip lines, one FXO on SPA3102?

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ballistyx

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# 206162 12-Dec-2016 12:37

I have a 2talk account with 2 lines (in different calling areas) and would like to use them on a single phone.
I've done a LOT of hunting, and have seen various suggestions, but either a) I am wording my search terms incorrectly, or b) it just can't be done. I refuse to believe that b) is the answer! I have tried searching this forum, but "ata 2 sip 1 FXO" returns so many (irrelevant) results that I figure it may well be simpler to just ask :)

I currently run through a SPA3102 ATA, and have been looking for an ATA that will support two SIP lines. In other forums, people suggest a PAP2T, but that is unacceptable, as it appears to separate the lines so that each line must use a different FXO port - is this correct? I don't want to have to use two phones.

I have read somewhere that it is possible to configure my PSTN line as the second SIP number and dial out with @gw0 but I have not been able to get that to work. Perhaps I am simply doing it wrong! Dialplans are not my forte.

I would really appreciate any suggestions for appropriate hardware, or help in making my 3102 do the job.

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# 1686548 12-Dec-2016 14:16

How does that work and why do you need 2 sip lines?

If you pick up the phone, how does it know what SIP line send the call out over?

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# 1686556 12-Dec-2016 14:37

How about using a gigaset base?

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ballistyx

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# 1686571 12-Dec-2016 15:29

hairy1: How about using a gigaset base?

I suppose that could work - if it does what I want - but I'd rather use my existing equipment than fork out for something new.
Plus, I already have a perfectly servicable phone with two satellite handsets and will lose functionality if I replace them with a standalone VOIP phone :)

ballistyx

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# 1686574 12-Dec-2016 15:37

darylblake:

How does that work and why do you need 2 sip lines?

If you pick up the phone, how does it know what SIP line send the call out over?

"How does that work?" - sort of the point of my question.

Not sure how my need for 2 SIP lines is relevant to the topic, but if it will help you answer my question:
I have two numbers because that is my deal with 2talk. I pay so much per month, and I get two lines.
If I want to reduce my long-distance calls, I can use the relevant number for that area code to dial out on.
I understand that, given the right hardware, you can dial a star code to specify which line to use.

I've seen the question phrased differently, with people having accounts with different providers to cut down on toll calls, but I couldn't make any of the suggestions offered work on my ATA.

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# 1686575 12-Dec-2016 15:42

The Gigaset will work as it allows for multiple SIP lines to be selected on the cordless handset.

If I was doing it I would grab a PAP2T and hook up two separate cordless phones (which are cheap as chips). That way when you pick up a phone you know exactly which line you are calling from. I know you don't want two separate phones but it is a good way of segregating the lines.

Cheers, Matt.

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ballistyx

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# 1686580 12-Dec-2016 16:01

hairy1:

Thanks Matt. Yeah, that's certainly an option, but I have 3 phones throughout the house, and will use whichever one is nearest :D I just feel that separate phone will be somewhat impractical for me. I can't help feeling that there must be a way around this at minimum cost and minimum loss of practicality.

It's still not a perfect system, but it's come a long way from my first setup porting a landline through an ATA, via a 200m wireless bridge to my place!

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# 1686581 12-Dec-2016 16:07

The answer is b) it can't be done.

The SPA3102 is about a 12 year old device now and has been EOL for probably 5 years. If you want multiple line capability my recommendation would be an Obihai ATA. Obihai was actually started by the guys who created the Sipura SPA range of products that became the SPA3102). I have a review on here of one.

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# 1686589 12-Dec-2016 16:38

darylblake:

How does that work and why do you need 2 sip lines?

If you pick up the phone, how does it know what SIP line send the call out over?

On a SPA3102 you can send calls independently via the SIP or FXS ports. To do this you need to create dial plan rules to send via a route based on a pattern match or a predigit that you strip in the dial plan.

You can send calls to multiple SIP proxies in the dialplan using a SPA3102 but it only has the ability to have a single SIP registration. This is more suited when you're making a SIP URI call.

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# 1686618 12-Dec-2016 18:03

Do you simply want to use to the two numbers to have local calling in the two areas they are in?

If so, no requirement for special hardware, 2talk has all the features built in.

Just go to 'Line Manager' and then under that look for 'Geographic Rules' (or something similar). Then what you do is say for 'Auckland' use 093201234, for 'Christchurch' use 033204321. Then when you dial numbers for each of those LICA's it will pick the number you told it to and charge only local calling.

Then to make inbound calls work just simply have one of your numbers registered and forward the unregistered to that one.

Very simple set up.

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# 1686621 12-Dec-2016 18:11

Why don't you use 1sip trunk with an additional alias. Only 1 registration is needed.

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# 1686698 12-Dec-2016 20:39

GoWifi has a sale (today only - Monday). There's a couple of Grandstream ATAs that may be suitable for what you want to do for well less than $50 on sale. Also at least one SIP/VOIP base station. If your existing phones were DECT-compatible, you could pair them to that.

But it's been a long time since I've used either ATAs or Grandstream products so double check before you buy, YMMV, etc. (I'm a happy Gigaset user which I'm sure will make all the real VoIP aficionados shudder).

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# 1686731 12-Dec-2016 21:35

chevrolux:

2talk has all the features built in.

That just sounds too easy! I'm surprised that 2talk never mentioned that when I asked them about this . . .
Now to try to implement it.

I've got Lines Manager, which appears to allow/restrict access to features depending on the line. I don't think that's what you're talking about.

Under that, I've got Routes Manager, which appears to show the applicable CLI (sounds like callerID?) when I call a particular area. That doesn't really suggest that it will use the applicable line either.

Next is Access Manager, which relates to broadband connections and isn't relevant to me.

I just tried changing a few things and ended up killing the audio on my end of the phone. Maybe I should stop tinkering and have a chat with the lovely guys at 2talk to get it sorted ;)
I can forward one number to the first, but will have to see if that preserves the caller ID, or just says the call is coming from #2 line.

Thanks for your suggestion - I hope it ends up being anywhere near as simple as you make it lol

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# 1686733 12-Dec-2016 21:47

Cheers MDF - I'll check out Gowifi (though my very first grandstream ATA was an utter PoS!
Don't think my set of phones is DECT, unfortunately

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# 1687259 13-Dec-2016 18:38

ballistyx:

chevrolux:

2talk has all the features built in.

That just sounds too easy! I'm surprised that 2talk never mentioned that when I asked them about this . . .
Now to try to implement it.

I've got Lines Manager, which appears to allow/restrict access to features depending on the line. I don't think that's what you're talking about.

Under that, I've got Routes Manager, which appears to show the applicable CLI (sounds like callerID?) when I call a particular area. That doesn't really suggest that it will use the applicable line either.

Next is Access Manager, which relates to broadband connections and isn't relevant to me.

I just tried changing a few things and ended up killing the audio on my end of the phone. Maybe I should stop tinkering and have a chat with the lovely guys at 2talk to get it sorted ;)
I can forward one number to the first, but will have to see if that preserves the caller ID, or just says the call is coming from #2 line.

Thanks for your suggestion - I hope it ends up being anywhere near as simple as you make it lol

Route Manager - that's the one (been a little while since I used their retail platform).

It does exactly that. Simply lets you present whichever DDI is required per calling area. Test it out and you will see what I mean. Set the correct local number for each local calling area you have (ie 09 for Auckland, 03 for Christchurch), then call a number in each of those areas. Take a local at your 'Local' billing breakdown and you will see the calls charged at the correct local rate (or taken out of your minutes if you have them).

Forget the concepts of 'Lines', they dont exist in the VoIP world. Its just a term we use to explain things to the customer because its easier. Its just numbers and channels.

Edit:

I just tried changing a few things and ended up killing the audio on my end of the phone. Maybe I should stop tinkering and have a chat with the lovely guys at 2talk to get it sorted ;)
I can forward one number to the first, but will have to see if that preserves the caller ID, or just says the call is coming from #2 line.

And yes, the A-party CID is sent through as they now do proper SIP 302's for call forwarding.

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# 1687410 13-Dec-2016 22:22

chevrolux:

Route Manager - that's the one (been a little while since I used their retail platform).

It does exactly that. Simply lets you present whichever DDI is required per calling area. Test it out and you will see what I mean. Set the correct local number for each local calling area you have (ie 09 for Auckland, 03 for Christchurch), then call a number in each of those areas. Take a local at your 'Local' billing breakdown and you will see the calls charged at the correct local rate (or taken out of your minutes if you have them).

OK, that sounds right now. I guess it was just the wording that gave me the wrong impression!

Many thanks - I think I understand now You're a star!