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#3327298 3-Jan-2025 16:15

Wombat1:

To be honest, I can't stand Windows 11.

heh i went to mac the day Apple launched M1.

but i need the windows for games and some programs.

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#3327302 3-Jan-2025 16:31

The main issue with tying to shoehorn a new operating system onto old hardware is that for the most part, its physically not designed for it (drivers expire, software APIs get retired, new features require specific hardware, the newer UI has a different way of being used). Yes, when the new OS initially comes out there may be some overlap (hence the ability to upgrade) but after a while, the new OS evolves, and that capability gets rescinded.

Windows 10/11 is not Windows XP and DOS - things work a little differently.

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#3327330 3-Jan-2025 18:39

Jase2985:

no just the support

i have 4 pc's here on Windows 10, all will be upgraded to Windows 11 before support runs out

You have 4? I have around....50 end users running W10 I'm not concerned.

Support means security updates - it's not the end of the world. You're being an alarmist

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#3327334 3-Jan-2025 18:47

K8Toledo:

Jase2985:

no just the support

i have 4 pc's here on Windows 10, all will be upgraded to Windows 11 before support runs out

You have 4? I have around....50 end users running W10 I'm not concerned.

Support means security updates - it's not the end of the world. You're being an alarmist

ah yes of course, you don't need to keep updating your PC to keep it secure when you are connected to the net. How silly of me.

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#3327360 3-Jan-2025 20:56

PolicyGuy:
Jase2985:

i have 4 pc's here on Windows 10, all will be upgraded to Windows 11 before support runs out

I have only two Windows 10 PCs, but they both say they can't be upgraded to Windows 11.
One is an ex-lease laptop, probably six or seven years old, so not a surprise that it can't be upgraded. The other is a desktop that was 'nearly new' when Windows-11 came out, so a surprise & disappointment that it couldn't/can't be upgraded other than the registry hack which I believe doesn't work with the latest Windows 11 updates.

I guess I'll buy a year's extended support for both (? ~$100?) and see what's what late 2026.

Rufus us the best way to upgrade a non-compliant PC.

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#3327366 3-Jan-2025 21:41

SpartanVXL: I recall someone saying that instruction sets between 4th and 9th gen Intel haven’t changed, but for some reason they’re cutting off support before 8th gen. That and TPM as a requirement just makes it appear forced.

I would just stick with win10 until the end of update support, then if win11 is still worth upgrading to just use the bypass.

My guess is that the older gen CPUs have too many security bugs, and probably some that are unpatchable in software. Some of the software patches do have significant performance impact as well. So blame Intel here, not Microsoft.

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#3327508 4-Jan-2025 17:28

Windows 11 24H2 still has so many issues, most importantly worse gaming performance than Windows 10

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#3327555 4-Jan-2025 21:21

mattwnz:

... due to windows now being mature and not as bloated with newer versions.

Apart from the removal of OS/2 and 16 bit DOS support I am not sure what was removed to support your claim of it being less bloated. I suggest duplicating the operating system with SysWOW64 does not count as less bloat.

We will now be subjected to the ever increasing "do you want CoPilot with that?" and Microsoft Total Recall.

The "do you want CoPilot with that" is not even a question, despite setting the local policy to disable CoPilot it still appears everywhere unless you can find other settings to hide it.

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#3327591 5-Jan-2025 06:52

Jase2985:

ah yes of course, you don't need to keep updating your PC to keep it secure when you are connected to the net. How silly of me.

Sarcasm isn't a response. Neither is taking my post and replying out of context. But you're right. The answer is no.

You've never owned a machine with XP or W7, or any W10 versions other than home, or you'd know when W10 was released half the fiasco was that updates could NOT be disabled.

If I disabled updates on your machine, which I doubt I could, I promise you wouldn't even know. Tell me, what were the last 5 updates released for.

Oh, look another feature update Enterprise versions can postpone installs indefinitely

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#3327592 5-Jan-2025 06:54

Ragnor:

Windows 11 24H2 still has so many issues, most importantly worse gaming performance than Windows 10

that is an overgeneralization. not all games. most games show no difference. some are better on windows 11. might also depend on the spec of the rest of the PC.

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#3327786 5-Jan-2025 12:22

K8Toledo:

Jase2985:

ah yes of course, you don't need to keep updating your PC to keep it secure when you are connected to the net. How silly of me.

Sarcasm isn't a response. Neither is taking my post and replying out of context. But you're right. The answer is no.

You've never owned a machine with XP or W7, or any W10 versions other than home, or you'd know when W10 was released half the fiasco was that updates could NOT be disabled.

If I disabled updates on your machine, which I doubt I could, I promise you wouldn't even know. Tell me, what were the last 5 updates released for.

Oh, look another feature update Enterprise versions can postpone installs indefinitely

I would consider that syswow is there to maintain compatibility for those people that continue to want to run 32 bit apps because they demanded it in the first place. It has always seemed odd to me that the same people that don’t want legacy features removed are the ones that also appear to complain of bloat.

From my perspective, windows 10 (and later) is a completely different architecture than XP and earlier, both in CPU architecture and functionality. Unfortunately, in my opinion, there are a minority but vocal group of people that are a bit stuck in the past. Many of the issues I see are usually due to people that were really good at tweaking/modding XP (I call the fun days) trying to run the same programs and tweaks on Windows 10/11.

Its been my experience that Win 10 and later works best out of the box and left alone with the hardware it was designed for. Windows is now a service and contains multiple different but interoperable subsystems (WSL being the most visible). As a service, the underlying components get continuously updated, new things added, new hardware support, old things removed - even if the visible part looks unchanged. An example of new technology would be thunderbolt 5 with support for 8k and high speed data and the ability to attach external hardware.

In answer to the gaming performance, this would be subjective as it depends on the ability of the game developer to write optimised code across all of the different platform configurations, as with the ability of the graphics driver vendor and associated hardware. I have generally found DirectX to be relatively stable, given the number of devices/games that use it.

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#3327843 5-Jan-2025 15:28

K8Toledo:

Jase2985:

no just the support

i have 4 pc's here on Windows 10, all will be upgraded to Windows 11 before support runs out

You have 4? I have around....50 end users running W10 I'm not concerned.

Support means security updates - it's not the end of the world. You're being an alarmist

If one of your customers get owned from a unpatched security concern after end of Windows 10 support, will you be willing to say you did all you could to protect your customers and their customers data? Why put that type of liability on yourself.

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#3328310 6-Jan-2025 13:53

Batman:
Ragnor:

Windows 11 24H2 still has so many issues, most importantly worse gaming performance than Windows 10

that is an overgeneralization. not all games. most games show no difference. some are better on windows 11. might also depend on the spec of the rest of the PC.

Ryzen cpu users had to spend a long time waiting for the fix to be on par with win10. Hopefully it doesn’t regress again.

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#3328502 6-Jan-2025 23:31

SpartanVXL:
Batman:

Ragnor:

Windows 11 24H2 still has so many issues, most importantly worse gaming performance than Windows 10

that is an overgeneralization. not all games. most games show no difference. some are better on windows 11. might also depend on the spec of the rest of the PC.

Ryzen cpu users had to spend a long time waiting for the fix to be on par with win10. Hopefully it doesn’t regress again.

Yes AMD Ryzen CPU users had to wait a long time for the cpu scheduling fix/improvements in 24H2, it was back ported to 23H2 in KB5041587

Still to get Windows 11 24H2 (or 23H2 with KB5041587) to the same performance level as Windows 10 in most games you have to disable Core Isolation Memory Integrity and Virtual Machine Platform as per Microsoft's own guide plus (imo) de-bloat Windows 11 by disabling a bunch of stuff that's always running that game mode doesn't turn off automatically.

So sure it's doable but hardly a compelling upgrade/experience and you have to know that you need too and how to do it.

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#3328521 7-Jan-2025 06:20

Ragnor:

Still to get Windows 11 24H2 (or 23H2 with KB5041587) to the same performance level as Windows 10 in most games you have to disable Core Isolation Memory Integrity and Virtual Machine Platform as per Microsoft's own guide

from my understanding it's the same for windows 10. not sure about windows 11 but in windows 10 it's defaulted to off for both.

i agree i like windows 10 better. in fact i've mostly moved on to Mac OS after windows 10 and have very little understanding of 11 (other than having the PC to do things that Mac doesn't)

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