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#3382074 9-Jun-2025 11:46

cddt:

Half the country is made up of families who can't afford to shell out for a 3-5 year old ex-lease ($300-500?), especially when they already have a working computer...

Also most ex lease things lack power supply connections and sometimes physical space to put a graphics card in, so moving that over isnt going to happen and good luck running anything on a 3-5 year old intel integrated GPU.

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#3382336 10-Jun-2025 00:45

snj:

This prompted me to have a look at my old box (running a 7th gen), found out that Asus had actually released an updated BIOS for that particular board which enabled TPM 2.0. Still getting hit with the 'incompatible CPU' in the Health Check step though. Sounds like it just worked for you though?

Yes, it told me the processor was incompatible in the health check, where after the update it runs Win11 fine so far. It was one of the fastester processors at the time, and for most things you would not know it is 10 year old PC.

I can't remember the details now and I'm not a PC expert. I just did a lot of reading on how to do it and advise anyone else to do the same. This is a more up to date version of the many articles I read - be it not on me if anyone stuffs it up: How to upgrade your 'incompatible' Windows 10 PC to Windows 11 - 2 free options | ZDNET

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#3382351 10-Jun-2025 07:42

Just some useful information -- I put Win 11 on my Intel Gen 6 Dell 7470 laptop (24 gig RAM, 1 TB disk, TPM 1.2) some time ago, and it updated fine to 24H2. Now I can add that when I did a complete reset on the machine to sell it, it immediately refreshed with 24H2 without a murmur. Not much to worry about, then, with the kludged update to Win 11.

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#3382392 10-Jun-2025 10:11

I popped a m.2 drive that was failing but had what I thought was 10 on it into my old 4th gen i7, turns out it was 11, it booted and worked fine and the only thing that did not work was the pin to log in, had to use the account password. It then took some windows updates just fine and works great. Probably faster than the crapbox 8th gen celerons I bought to be supported.

No idea if it will take the next major update tho, so it will not be getting used. The hardware is fine and will be going into a box to be put in a case when I find another cheapie to screw around with linux or something.

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#3382627 10-Jun-2025 22:15

Hello all,

just reading of some of your comments, in other words, the TPMS 2.0 doesn't really need it right?

Ok, can I just download a new version of the windows 11?

thanks

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#3382639 11-Jun-2025 00:56

I am wondering that if MS says it needs these minimum hardware features for the PC to be considered secure, why can you install linux on that same hardware and linux is considered to be secure. I am guessing there will be a lot of cheap PC hardware being sold soon that doesn't meet the standards. I have seen some already being sold on trademe where they have still managed to install windows 11 on it, even though the hardware doesn't officially support it, which isn't very good, because they may not get future updates..

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#3382651 11-Jun-2025 05:58

jackyleunght2002:

Hello all,

just reading of some of your comments, in other words, the TPMS 2.0 doesn't really need it right?

Ok, can I just download a new version of the windows 11?

thanks

jacky

No, officially, you need TMP V 2.0

https://www.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows/windows-11-specifications

What people here are talking about is bypassing the TMP requirement with Windows 11 and it working with hardware that doesn't meet Windows minimum requirements.
People are advising that the bypass is fine with their systems.

You could do that too; however, you will also need to bypass the requirement via one method or another... i.e reddit/google/youtube how.

Mircosoft has come out

Installing Windows 11 on a device that doesn't meet Windows 11 minimum system requirements isn't recommended. If Windows 11 is installed on ineligible hardware, your device won't receive support from Microsoft, and you should be comfortable assuming the risk of running into compatibility issues.

Devices that don't meet these system requirements might malfunction due to compatibility or other issues. Additionally, these devices aren't guaranteed to receive updates, including but not limited to security updates.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1#:~:text=Installing%20Windows%2011%20on%20a,of%20running%20into%20compatibility%20issues.

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#3382655 11-Jun-2025 07:19

mattwnz:

I am wondering that if MS says it needs these minimum hardware features for the PC to be considered secure, why can you install linux on that same hardware and linux is considered to be secure. I am guessing there will be a lot of cheap PC hardware being sold soon that doesn't meet the standards. I have seen some already being sold on trademe where they have still managed to install windows 11 on it, even though the hardware doesn't officially support it, which isn't very good, because they may not get future updates..

This thread has a few relevant comments: https://old.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/oic8x5/with_windows_11_requiring_tpm_20_for_improved/

"Its not so much that Windows needs TPM in particular as much as Windows has a security and malware issues they need to address, and secure boot and TPM are two ways in which they are choosing to address it."

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#3387212 26-Jun-2025 15:30

Cost-free options for extended security updates coming up for personal users:

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/06/24/stay-secure-with-windows-11-copilot-pcs-and-windows-365-before-support-ends-for-windows-10/

Today, we're introducing additional free enrollment options and the simple steps to get started.

Extended Security Updates for Windows 10:

For individuals: An enrollment wizard will be available through notifications and in Settings, making it easy to enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC. Through the enrollment wizard, you’ll be able to choose from three options:

Use Windows Backup to sync your settings to the cloud—at no additional cost.
Redeem 1,000 Microsoft Rewards points—at no additional cost.
Pay $30 USD (local pricing may vary).

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#3387237 26-Jun-2025 17:25

I guess if I make a single windows account for each computer, then that gets me syncing them to nothing else but the free extended support.

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#3387240 26-Jun-2025 17:35

Looks like a bit of a complex solution to extend support for another year. but I guess it is worth it to get another year of usage from older hardware without too much work.

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#3387260 26-Jun-2025 18:02

mattwnz:

Looks like a bit of a complex solution to extend support for another year. but I guess it is worth it to get another year of usage from older hardware without too much work.

Yup

By the time October 2026 rolls around, it should be possible to get an inexpensive ex-lease desktop or laptop with a legitimate (i.e machine has a TPM-2.0) copy of Windows-11 installed. Even better, it almost certainly won't be "AI capable"! LOL

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#3387262 26-Jun-2025 18:26

I've been running Linux Mint on my desktop machine for over a year now, it lets me do pretty much everything. If you really aren't buying new gear with Windows 11, I would strongly suggest abandoning Windows entirely. All these hoop-jump scenarios have fish-hooks IMO.

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#3387270 26-Jun-2025 18:46

BlakJak:

I've been running Linux Mint on my desktop machine for over a year now, it lets me do pretty much everything. If you really aren't buying new gear with Windows 11, I would strongly suggest abandoning Windows entirely. All these hoop-jump scenarios have fish-hooks IMO.

Only good if you have software that will run on it, and don’t have old windows software you need to run.

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#3387303 26-Jun-2025 20:04

The Microsoft Rewards option (earning points through using Bing search, playing Xbox, browsing using Edge and using Outlook for email) could act as a subsidy mechanism for purchase of new device.

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