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# 19569 21-Feb-2008 21:26
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In case you haven't seen this yet - "Microsoft has halted the distribution of a Windows patch that's required to install Vista SP1 after complaints that it renders PCs unusable." So it says, (and a lot more) at http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/169452/microsoft-scraps-vista-sp1-update.html

Good old Vista, don't you just love it!!

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# 112167 21-Feb-2008 21:35
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alienstew: In case you haven't seen this yet - "Microsoft has halted the distribution of a Windows patch that's required to install Vista SP1 after complaints that it renders PCs unusable." So it says, (and a lot more) at http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/169452/microsoft-scraps-vista-sp1-update.html

Good old Vista, don't you just love it!!



There isnt any surprise here as Microsoft had already told that some of the drivers fail with Vista SP1 and thats the reason they are taking their time to release it to public. And the users who already have SP1 in them (like me) already have this update instsalled which means that my Laptop/System does not have those drivers which stops me to install SP1. And also it hasnt affected all the systems. My friends system has installed this update successfully.




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  # 112169 21-Feb-2008 21:40
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Yep - seems to have installed OK on mine to. But don't you think MS has a responsibility to adequately test these updates rather than use us all as guinea pigs - if the article is true (and why wouldn't it be?) then there are enough destroyed PCs out there thanks to MS to cause them to pull this so called update. I'm learning to loath Vista

 
 
 
 


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# 112171 21-Feb-2008 21:41
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It's not a Windows Vista thing only. Mac OS has its "update" crashes too (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)...

There's not a single OS that does not present a fault.







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  # 112174 21-Feb-2008 21:43
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No wish to get into a war here, but I don't remember any update problems with Win98 or even DOS ;-)

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# 112177 21-Feb-2008 21:47
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Good point. And seriously, I could access the Internet all the same with Windows for Workgroups 3.11, Trumpet Winsock and Mosaic web browser on my 386 SX 20 MHz back in 1995...




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  # 112178 21-Feb-2008 21:47
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alienstew: No wish to get into a war here, but I don't remember any update problems with Win98 or even DOS ;-)


Well, you cant expect Microsoft to have all types of Hardware installed there and test in each of the Hardware, lol. If thats the case, I dont think they can release any product updates Tongue out




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  # 112181 21-Feb-2008 21:50
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Oh, I think they can afford a few dollars for testing.........

 
 
 
 


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  # 112182 21-Feb-2008 21:52
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alienstew: Oh, I think they can afford a few dollars for testing.........


Been participated in the Vista SP1 Beta Program, I can say they do that Laughing




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  # 112206 21-Feb-2008 23:55
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alienstew: Yep - seems to have installed OK on mine to. But don't you think MS has a responsibility to adequately test these updates rather than use us all as guinea pigs - if the article is true (and why wouldn't it be?) then there are enough destroyed PCs out there thanks to MS to cause them to pull this so called update. I'm learning to loath Vista


SP1 went through extensive testing, I have installed it in its various forms over 100 times on different PCs without issue.

There is no way Microsoft could possibly test or anticipate every hardware setup. Most of the issues to date involve drivers or quite random devices.

I'm loving SP1. I've always liked Vista but it is 10x better since the release of SP1. I would go as far as saying it is rock solid.

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  # 112233 22-Feb-2008 08:24
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alienstew: No wish to get into a war here, but I don't remember any update problems with Win98 or even DOS ;-)


Now back to reality... The complexity of a system live Windows Vista can't be compared to what DOS or Windows 98 brought to the market in their days.

There are today thousands of different devices, with probably millions of variations on how thosew can be combined to create a PC.

When I pointed out that Mac OS X has lots of troubles with updates it was just to bring to the discussion that even for a company with very restricted guidelines and a very small number of current models it is still a hard task to keep these things up to date without running into some problem.

alienstew: But don't you think MS has a responsibility to adequately test these updates rather than use us all as guinea pigs - if the article is true (and why wouldn't it be?) then there are enough destroyed PCs out there thanks to MS to cause them to pull this so called update. I'm learning to loath Vista


They did test Windows Vista Service Pack 1. I was one of the beta testers and I had it running on a couple of machines here with no problems, reported a couple of faults that were fixed, etc. Thousands of people participated in the private beta tests and then millions downloaded the release candidates.

Read the article again and you will see the title is wrong. Microsoft is not "scrapping Vista SP1 update". Microsoft is pulling a pre-requisite for Windows Vista SP1. The Service Pack itself is fine.

I personally know Nick White from the Windows Vista Blog, and I am part of a small group (about 30 people) that have daily discussions on these things and I can tell you there's a lot of FUD going around. All the time.




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