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#198756 21-Jul-2016 13:00

Hello Microsoft Experts, I need your help.

After a failed Win 10 clean install I decided to revert to Win 7 (All my data is safe on D: drive). Install from DVD went OK so after installing appropriate drivers I went to Windows Update to load the myriad of updates I know will be required. After five hours of "Searching for Updates" I gave up. Used IE to browse a few sites to make sure I was connected to the internet - all OK

How long should I expect to wait for updates?

Thanks

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#1596228 21-Jul-2016 13:17

Assuming you have SP1 installed you should take a look here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3125574

Windows Update being borked on Windows 7 is a known thing :/

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#1596230 21-Jul-2016 13:22

Take a looksie here.. http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=45&topicid=195464

Use something like Nlite and do a package integration of the latest rollup first off (KB3125574 and associated prequisites). Or grab them manually and apply. The updater on a raw install is a little dumb and can't work out you need to update Windowsupdate and dotnet itself first, and then load about 5 prequisites, And then the big package to fix said issue. Instead it will sit for hhhooouurrrss trying to work out what ones have been superseeded.

To apply this update, you must install Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2 (KB976932) and April 2015 servicing stack update for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 (KB3020369).

http://www.howtogeek.com/255435/how-to-update-windows-7-all-at-once-with-microsofts-convenience-rollup/

/edit SNAP!

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#1596287 21-Jul-2016 14:23

Also consider the Simplix update pack http://update7.simplix.info/

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#1596308 21-Jul-2016 15:07

Also check your proxy settings are correct (if you have one) and try changing your DNS to Google's 8.8.8.8 and search for updates to see if it's a problem with your ISP DNS.

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#1596333 21-Jul-2016 15:45

Thanks for all the links guys

Brumfondl - beyond my capabilities.

Oblivian - went to the links, hit download but nothing happened. Don't understand why. Using IE11 now.

rhy7s - I'm not sure of Russian sites.

gehenna - I don't think I use a proxy.

But I found I had not authenticated - have done so. Updated to IE 11 to keep MSoft happy. Will load Firefox one all the updates are done.

Still "Checking for Updates.................."

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#1596692 22-Jul-2016 09:55

Sorted

As the target PC would not download KB3102810 I used another PC to download the file, saved it to a USB stick and loaded it on the target. After installation I went to Updates and it found 167 of them. Installing.....

Thank you all for pointing me in the right direction - another plus for Geekzone wizards.

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#1602839 2-Aug-2016 12:37

My Windows 7 laptop is telling me Windows updates are available (69 of them). When I tell it to download and update it sits forever on 0% download. Nothing happens.

This is the first time for a while it has notified me about any updates. The update screen shows 26/11/2015 as the last update date and the most recent check for updates as being the 20/07/2016. I have it set to notify me rather and automatic download and update.

This is a standard install. I haven't tried Win 10 and rolled back from that.

Any ideas?

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#1602856 2-Aug-2016 12:54

Technofreak:

My Windows 7 laptop is telling me Windows updates are available (69 of them). When I tell it to download and update it sits forever on 0% download. Nothing happens.

This is the first time for a while it has notified me about any updates. The update screen shows 26/11/2015 as the last update date and the most recent check for updates as being the 20/07/2016. I have it set to notify me rather and automatic download and update.

This is a standard install. I haven't tried Win 10 and rolled back from that.

Any ideas?

Wait? Windows Update on Windows 7 is rather broken and I doubt MS has any real desire to fix it. Apparently if you wait long enough it does eventually work though.

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#1602867 2-Aug-2016 13:08

2 problems. Windows has issues finding what updates are cumulative and need to be applied. This takes donkeys

More so, some of said updates it eventually finds are to fix and speed this up. Manually install the perquisites above (fix WU issues and readiness) apply the "convenience updates" and it'll search a whole lot better

It does break patched rdp however

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#1602870 2-Aug-2016 13:11

Brumfondl:

Wait? Windows Update on Windows 7 is rather broken and I doubt MS has any real desire to fix it. Apparently if you wait long enough it does eventually work though.

Well by all accounts Windows would have broken my laptop anyway despite Microsoft Windows 10 update telling me it was compatible.

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#1615270 21-Aug-2016 20:36

So it turns out they are still trying to fix the 'checking for updates' bug..

KB3177725 was meant to. But in W10 it breaks printing. :P

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3107306/microsoft-windows/microsoft-admits-to-distributing-windows-printing-bugs-in-kb-3177725-and-kb-3176493.html

KB 3177725 was the "magic" patch that inexplicably made August Update scan times go from many hours to a few minutes. I still have nightmares about one billion Windows 7 PCs wasting two to six hours going through meaningless loops while searching for updates.

At this point, the best advice I have is to install KB 3177725 when you're ready to look for the August patches (I still think it's too early to worry about them), and then manually uninstall KB 3177725 when you're done with your update scan.

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#1615573 22-Aug-2016 10:49

Brumfondl:

Wait? Windows Update on Windows 7 is rather broken and I doubt MS has any real desire to fix it. Apparently if you wait long enough it does eventually work though.

Yes it is broken , no it wont allways work through even if you wait a week or more: 1 PC: 2weeks & wouldnt update

Ive reloaded several WIN7 PC's in the last month, this Win7 updates issue has been a nightmare , on every reload.
MS Links to update fixes/patches are broken/go nowhere
The 7 convenience update rollup downloads sites: MS websites for that also broken last time I tried to get it
update rollup now a confusing poorly explained mess (monthly updates)

MS are changing the way updates are rolled out for win7.
I suspect thats part of the current problem with MS links & manual downloads not working (part of the problem, not the whole problem)

1) you need IE11 , install that first .
2) download & install the new windows update client . Try & get the latest version,if possible; some MS links for this are now broken .
*** disconnect from the internet before installing **** very important , restart & try winupdates again (doesnt allways fix the issue)
3) see if you can find & download the convince update rollup (good luck with that) . It doesnt allways fix the update issue but at least gives
you a few years of older updates worth in 1 hit
*** you may also have to disconnect from the internet if doing a manual install of the update rollup ***

Basically, its stuffed & getting worse . I guess 7 is now an afterthought for MS , they really dont want us on 7 .

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#1615586 22-Aug-2016 10:57

point me to the broken links and I'll get them fixed

the root of this problem is all the different Windows 7 patches that are available and a very long set of rules that can supersede

This will go away when we move to Rollup updates from October

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/08/15/further-simplifying-servicing-model-for-windows-7-and-windows-8-1/

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#1615609 22-Aug-2016 11:18

nathan:

point me to the broken links and I'll get them fixed

Sorry, dont have them now .

I remember the convience update rollup links not working, both from a manual download
& via the Microsoft Update Catalog (this was on a clean install, IE11)
That all stopped working , when was working some weeks before

And and I had issues trying to get the update client. Seems thats now included in the monthly update rollup (that link worked)

What would be helpfull, would be a better explanation on the monthly download page: with a link to the convenience update rollup

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#1615745 22-Aug-2016 13:06

nathan:
point me to the broken links and I'll get them fixed

the root of this problem is all the different Windows 7 patches that are available and a very long set of rules that can supersede

This will go away when we move to Rollup updates from October

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/08/15/further-simplifying-servicing-model-for-windows-7-and-windows-8-1/

I noticed this news.

Essentially, individual updates will no longer be available from windows update. No more picking and choosing what to install.

After this is all implemented, can individual 7/8 updates still be uninstalled as they can at present?

Edit: ah maybe it will be just one kb number in the installed list now and not individual items?

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