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Topic # 59740 11-Apr-2010 00:09
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With XP I check for updates using the built in tool - and download most files manually - using Firefox - and apply them manually.

This saves having to D/L the same file for multiple machines, and also because I don't want every update - e.g. for programs I don't use (like Outlook) or don't want because they add "features" that I think are not desireable. It doesn't happen very often - but every now and then I tell it not to DL and install some updates - and not to show that file again.

Windows 7 seems to have taken MS dominance one step further - it seems (but I'm hoping I'm wrong) that I can only tell the system to update - MS as usual knows best. It's bad enough that Silverlight seems to be mandatory as well (presumably there's a reason for this - I guess I'll see it's benefits at some stage) - but I'm hoping that someone might tell me of an alternative. I mean, corporates presumably can download once only?

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Reply # 316921 11-Apr-2010 05:57
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Windows 7 has the same level of control as Windows XP if not more, I really don't get why people are so hesitant in letting the OS update itself, and then wonder why their system gets infected.

as to changing the settings fairly straight forward:
control panel-->Windows Update-->Change Settings

from their you can set how you want to update your system from letting windows just download and install , notify you, or do nothing..  

also if you don't use an app i.e. Outlook then you should uninstall it, otherwise you should patch it with the same level as your OS, the OS in not the only attack vector, a growing trend is application vulnerabilities (I've seen some good ones in adobe reader, attacks embedded in PDF files)

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  Reply # 316964 11-Apr-2010 10:42
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Corporates can download once only because they have their own servers for distribution. You don't. Corporates doing that also have IT people that know exactly what their environment requires to run - and sometimes a very specific application won't run well with a very specific update.

Consumers is another story. Just let it do it automatically. If you are a home user there's no update that you shouldn't apply. Otherwise don't complain later that your PC is unsecure.







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  Reply # 316969 11-Apr-2010 11:18
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Wiith XP and previous versions I did all the security fixes, etc. There were just a few other "fixes / features" I didn't apply. I made the mistake of applying one once and the useability results were dreadful (in my opinion).

But then until Windows 7 I've always rated anything from MS as at best useless - I've had to admit they've got me relatively impressed with much of Windows 7. I never thought I'd have anything nice to say about something from MS.

So it seems I have no alternative with Windows 7 - I just have to take the fixes - or not. And "not" is not really an option.

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  Reply # 316970 11-Apr-2010 11:26
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You don't have to. Just turn the update option off and then follow the security bulletins and update when needed. Also notice there are some updates that are not listed in security bulletins.

Playing Devil's Advocate here, I don't see any lack of options on Windows Update:







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  Reply # 316973 11-Apr-2010 11:44
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Wow Mauricio - do you live on here? i wasn't expecting a response so fast. So I've set that option to dl but let me choose. I'm reluctant to choose the install option without seeing it first. Can you tell me whether that will just start the update or let me see them all anmd choose? Also it would be helpful to know where these downloaded updates are physically stored.

Thanks very much.

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  Reply # 316978 11-Apr-2010 12:12
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Once updates are downloaded (if you selected this option) then you will see an icon in the system tray. Double click it and then you can select which ones to install, as usual.







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  Reply # 316984 11-Apr-2010 12:37
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Boy - now I feel stupid. I cannot see an icon anywhere which leads to this option. I'm not doubting what you say - and am feeling pretty thick - especially since I'm actually liking Windows 7 - much to my surprise. Just be aware I only use the built in Windows Update on my XP machine to see what the updates are. I dl via Firefox and run the updates manually. So I've never done these the MS way. But two of us have been trying to sort this out - me the ex systems analyst and my wife the ex programmer - and just feeling a bit slow.

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  Reply # 316986 11-Apr-2010 12:40
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Click the Windows Orb | Windows Update. There are a few links on the left side of the Windows Update dialog - one of them is for options. Or for an alternative way to get there just look at the screenshot I posted - there's a "breadcrumb" on top showing "Control Panel - All Control Panel Items - Windows Update - Change Settings".




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  Reply # 320516 20-Apr-2010 08:14
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FYI if you are running Microsoft Home Server you can run WSUS which allows you to control what patches the workstations install and only need to download each patch once.

http://usingwindowshomeserver.com/2009/03/06/extending-windows-home-server-with-wsus-updated/







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