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# 16224 30-Sep-2007 12:08
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This is rather disappointing. Daylight saving has been talked about for quite a while, and other companies such as Microsoft, Telecom, and Vodafone have been busy trying to get the message out: If you have a PDA or computer and you use features dependent on timezones, you need to update.

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to have happened with Apple. This means that people have to look at ad hoc solutions such as changing the country to one where the timezone is GMT+13 or unofficial patches. While this can be done on an individual PC - multiple PC's start getting all the more painful. Apples own knowledgebase (found from macrumours) tells us the fix is to manually push the clock forward which has potential issues with calendar/appointment applications. According to a few at Macrumours, it appears that Apple may release in the next OS rollout - but this doesn't really cut it, daylight saving is here now, and keep in mind that these are just rumors'.

What is rather interesting is that MacNN reports that American and Australia daylight saving patches have been released, however New Zealand appears to be missed out.
Apple has issued other timeshift patches well in advance of deadlines, such as one that corrected for an American schedule change earlier in the year. Anecdotes suggest however that New Zealand is not the only Pacific country to have had troubles, since while western Australia received a patch for its change, the upgrade was reportedly badly publicized and may not have been distributed through Software Update.


Instead people have to resort to either pushing the timezones around, or running an unofficial patch. I know New Zealand is not a huge market, but this is something fundamentally simple that needed to be released before daylight saving kicked in. Most disappointing.




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  # 88726 30-Sep-2007 13:56
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I totally agree. I was up at midnight last night, wondering what would happen once my Macbooks clock passed 12. Once it did, I hit "Get time Automatically", and was disappointed when it didn't move forward an hour. Guess I'll have to uncheck that option, and set it manually. Bad Apple!

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  # 88729 30-Sep-2007 14:01
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Maybe they are more US centric Embarassed




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  # 88738 30-Sep-2007 14:24
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Wait for the fanboys to start saying things like "Apple has bigger things to worry about"....

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# 88744 30-Sep-2007 14:42
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If Apple are going to lock down and control everything then they really need to show that they are committed to the markets to which they supply their products. If the New Zealand market were too small and insignificant for them to justify releasing a minor software patch like this, then surely the New Zealand market would be too small and insignificant for them to sell their product here at all!

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# 88762 30-Sep-2007 16:43
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That's what I thought this morning.... well will have to do it manually, and put it back on auto in 3 weeks, it's all the government's falult....

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  # 88764 30-Sep-2007 17:06
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I used that patch in the other thread, but yeah I was expecting the time to change too...Its really confusing when you wake up and your clocks are all phone or computer and you have no idea what the actual time is...Good old manual quartz clocks right!



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  # 88766 30-Sep-2007 17:41
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alasta: If Apple are going to lock down and control everything then they really need to show that they are committed to the markets to which they supply their products. If the New Zealand market were too small and insignificant for them to justify releasing a minor software patch like this, then surely the New Zealand market would be too small and insignificant for them to sell their product here at all!


Exactly. Its strange how opensource linux projects have managed to survive yet an operating system which prides itself on its completeness and ease of use have not deployed even the smallest of patches.

Things like this are so basic, and are making me look at alternatives (remember, you can run Windows and Linux on Macbooks ;) )




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  # 88772 30-Sep-2007 19:03
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cokemaster:
alasta: If Apple are going to lock down and control everything then they really need to show that they are committed to the markets to which they supply their products. If the New Zealand market were too small and insignificant for them to justify releasing a minor software patch like this, then surely the New Zealand market would be too small and insignificant for them to sell their product here at all!


Exactly. Its strange how opensource linux projects have managed to survive yet an operating system which prides itself on its completeness and ease of use have not deployed even the smallest of patches.

Things like this are so basic, and are making me look at alternatives (remember, you can run Windows and Linux on Macbooks ;) )

You would honestly change OS because they didn't patch the time...?  that fix on the other thread took like 5 seconds to download and apply...



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  # 88775 30-Sep-2007 19:38
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  1. That is an unsupported patch.
  2. Because it is an unsupported patch, it may break things.
  3. It doesn't patch all the other services provided with OS X like Java.
  4. If Apple are unable to provide a simple patch to correct a daylight saving change, what does that say about commitment to New Zealand users (keep in mind that other countries have been patched)?
  5. Putting the clock forward is a hack. It can mess with appointments etc.
  6. Unlike some people, I am not an apple apologist. I simply use what is the best solution for myself - if Apple is not able to provide that any more, I would look else where at Microsoft or Linux based operating systems.
  7. Is the answer 'Just put your clock forward an hour' an acceptable answer from a developers knowledgebase?




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  # 88779 30-Sep-2007 20:01
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You would honestly change OS because they didn't patch the time...? that fix on the other thread took like 5 seconds to download and apply...


I dont think that patch was officially released by Apple.




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  # 88918 1-Oct-2007 14:59

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/barf/3483

follow my instructions (for GNU/Linux but works anyway) to update Apple OSX auto DST. if you use radmind to administer groups of Apple PCs update your base load's /etc/localtime file after following my directions, then the update can be pushed out to your Apple workstations easily.

NB#1: instead of "wget" use "curl -o tzdata2007g.tar.gz ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2007g.tar.gz"

NB#2: instead of "zic `cat /etc/timezone`" use "zic Pacific/Auckland"




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  # 88957 1-Oct-2007 18:59
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We had some weird things happen on our fully patched Apples as well, such at the time being behind a hour, then jumping forward TWO hours this afternoon.

For such a simple fix (ini/config file) etc it's sad for the home user, and a showstopper on the enterprise level.

It's the grunt work like this that I have to give Microsoft credit for, as all our clients/servers and sites rolled over without a hitch.




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At the risk of being smacked, I think Apple are a bit behind.  (get it? nudge, nudge, wink, wink Tongue out)




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