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Topic # 84860 9-Jun-2011 16:14
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So, Geekzone residents what do you think?

Me, I don't think it will crack cracku's world. I made my decision to go Android on with my phone and as far as I am concerned cloud is all about interoperability across a range of devices. That is the only advantage to compensate for the fact I have to be on a network. I'm happy with Evernote, Dropbox and Google Docs.

Therefore, iCloud just isn't something I am going to use. 

But had I gone iThing I think the iCloud would make it very easy to justify having everything Apple. That way it all works together easily, right?

I think it also makes iThings more attractive becasue you don't need to tether the thing to a PC or Mac with iTunes anymore.

In the end I think it will lead to a harder Apple Vs The Rest of The World split.

But the really interesting thing is what do you think?

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  Reply # 479422 9-Jun-2011 17:04
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So you're happy to use three seperate services (Evernote, Dropbox & Google Docs) to do what iCloud will most likely do with one?

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  Reply # 479425 9-Jun-2011 17:09
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Benjip: So you're happy to use three seperate services (Evernote, Dropbox & Google Docs) to do what iCloud will most likely do with one?


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  Reply # 479428 9-Jun-2011 17:27
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Benjip: So you're happy to use three seperate services (Evernote, Dropbox & Google Docs) to do what iCloud will most likely do with one?


Pretty much.

Evernote is good for getting something down quick before I forget it.

Dropbox doesn't care what kind of file I am moving from device to device.

Google Docs does word processing wherever I am as long as I have net.

OK here is my question, do you think that lock-in to the iWorld will be a problem?

Like I said, if I had a MacBook, MiniMac, iPhone and iPad (or was halfway there) then maybe I would be saying this is the best thing since sliced bread.

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  Reply # 479875 10-Jun-2011 20:23
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Benjip: So you're happy to use three seperate services (Evernote, Dropbox & Google Docs) to do what iCloud will most likely do with one?


That's a good point there. "Most likely" signals that nobody but SJ really knows what are the intention and eventually, benefits, that iCloud will deliver.

Personally, I don't see it being any more compelling than dot Mac or MobileMe, and I absolutely know that I won't be spending US$25 a year to store music I already own (moot, as it won't be offered downunder for quite some time anyway). Since I don't have MM, it's certain that iCloud isn't a starter, considering what's been revealed so far.

I think Apple wanted to deliver streaming but didn't get its ducks in a row in time - after all, the 'competition' SJ bagged on the keynote as being more expensive, deliver that. So iCloud as it stands (or floats) isn't offering anything other than something to keep the faithful close. And judging by the buzz on the Apple boards, that's a split decision. Unusual though that may be.

To me, iCloud is the answer to a question that hasn't been asked. To the Apple faithful, it's another reason why Apple will rule the world.

In the middle, perhaps, is the reality.

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  Reply # 479887 10-Jun-2011 20:54
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ArtooDetoo: To me, iCloud is the answer to a question that hasn't been asked. To the Apple faithful, it's another reason why Apple will rule the world.

In the middle, perhaps, is the reality.


I watched the presentation with interest, I have a iPhone, iPad, Lenovo laptop, iMac at home with OSX and iMac at work with Windows 7 and am the Windows guy at a Apple company (for a bit of background.)

I have forgotten most of the presentation and found it patchy as Steve didn't do the whole thing, but what grabbed my attention is the picture and Music syncing - it has been driving me nuts, take a phone, then drive my phone to work, plug in cable, copy photo to dropbox. etc.

Same with buying music - I plug my iPhone into the computer it's paired with probably once a month, and buy all my music legally through iTunes but then I have to stuff around with working out where I downloaded what as I listen to music at work, on pad pad, or iPhone.

The free iCloud solves this for me and I am very much looking forward to it.

Don't care about the e-mail/calender/contacts as that why Exchange is for (Well, our work uses the poor cousin Kerio Connect. Meh - but that's another story.)

I still have reservations after mobile me, but think Apple will crack it this time.






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  Reply # 479902 10-Jun-2011 21:17
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exportgoldman:
Same with buying music - I plug my iPhone into the computer it's paired with probably once a month, and buy all my music legally through iTunes but then I have to stuff around with working out where I downloaded what as I listen to music at work, on pad pad, or iPhone.

The free iCloud solves this for me and I am very much looking forward to it.


You're probably the demographic that Apple's targetting. To you, keeping your music sync'd is a worthwhile thing and since you've religiously made your purchases from iTunes anyway, it's a no-brainer for you.

Me, I have a platform agnostic sensibility and I freely admit to ripping most of my music from CDs. I can honestly claim that I haven't bought a single track from iTunes. So there's a few possible fishooks in iCloud for me and folks like me. Let's say I legitimise all my music in iCloud when it finally condenses here in the Antipodes... Will Apple allow my hi-res audio to still play if I decide not to renew my iCloud service?

Since I've sync'd my old mp3 versions to the higher res ones, I won't have the originals unless I upload them to some other cloud service or put them on local storage, which sorta defeats the purpose of iCloud.

It might be I misunderstand what Apple is going to do here, but I'm not alone. And SJ surely isn't spelling out all the details.

I think the iCloud is still half-baked, and I don't think Apple's 'vision' for this service is as lucid as we're used to. For me, the cloud is a little like Jobs's vision of the html5 'net - good theory perhaps, but short right now on benefits for the folks it'll most affect.

I may be wrong tho'

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  Reply # 480270 12-Jun-2011 10:57
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ArtooDetoo:
You're probably the demographic that Apple's targetting. To you, keeping your music sync'd is a worthwhile thing and since you've religiously made your purchases from iTunes anyway, it's a no-brainer for you.

Me, I have a platform agnostic sensibility and I freely admit to ripping most of my music from CDs. I can honestly claim that I haven't bought a single track from iTunes. So there's a few possible fishooks in iCloud for me and folks like me. Let's say I legitimise all my music in iCloud when it finally condenses here in the Antipodes... Will Apple allow my hi-res audio to still play if I decide not to renew my iCloud service?

Since I've sync'd my old mp3 versions to the higher res ones, I won't have the originals unless I upload them to some other cloud service or put them on local storage, which sorta defeats the purpose of iCloud.


I think you are on the money here, and this is the big fish hook I only realised after reading then watching the WWDC presentation.

If you have a big tower of CD's (I only have a handful as I stopped buying CD's about a decade ago.) Then you have to pay $24.95(from memory) Every Month? Year? to keep having access to those CD's online. At some point it becomes cheaper if you had just brought those CD's online again.

I commend your platform agnostic sensibilities, I became too lazy a long time ago and Apple stuff just works. Sure I'm locked in to their ecosystem, but I figure with 3 iPod stereos etc I'm pretty locked in anyways.




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  Reply # 480275 12-Jun-2011 11:27
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exportgoldman: I think you are on the money here, and this is the big fish hook I only realised after reading then watching the WWDC presentation.

If you have a big tower of CD's (I only have a handful as I stopped buying CD's about a decade ago.) Then you have to pay $24.95(from memory) Every Month? Year? to keep having access to those CD's online. At some point it becomes cheaper if you had just brought those CD's online again.

I commend your platform agnostic sensibilities, I became too lazy a long time ago and Apple stuff just works. Sure I'm locked in to their ecosystem, but I figure with 3 iPod stereos etc I'm pretty locked in anyways.


Having been an Apple user since the 90's, I've invested quite a lot of dosh in the brand and know how seductive the "just works" ethos can be. When it's delivering on the promise, of course. ;-)

I unreservedly recommend the Mac and iOS devices to people who I think will benefit from its simplicity. Others need more stimulation and the ability to keep their tech experience fresh, so the Apple options probably don't meet that criteria so much.

Horses for courses, if you'll pardon the cliché.

The family have multiple iPods from Touch to Nano, iPhones (3x) and iPad 2 lust is palpable around here. Strangely though, I'm the only Mac user. (Although I have made my living with Macs for a couple of decades, and the business I'm in, Mac is the standard). The rest of the family are happy with their PCs.

So being the in-house IT dude, being platform agnostic is pretty much a survival strategy, at least inasmuch as my mental state is concerned.

BTW, I believe the US$25 Match cost is a yearly thing, so not that big an expense. :D However, since there are free alternatives out there sans fishooks, so far Apple's offer isn't compelling to me. I totally see why it might work for you, and many other Apple afficianados. Another reason to not break the 'lock', which is, I'm sure, SJ's primary motivation.

But I ramble again.

Keep us posted when you finally get to subscribe - it'll be interesting to see how it evolves I think.

Cheers,
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