Police above the law ?

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#161811 20-Jan-2015 16:53

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/64937416/Whakatane-cop-not-charged-over-dog-shooting

I wonder what would happen in the exact same case with a civilian ? or if the bow and arrow was swapped with say an Air Rifle ?.

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#1218430 20-Jan-2015 16:58

If the facts were the same, then the same thing. That's the thing about "thresholds"!

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#1218433 20-Jan-2015 17:01

Given that it was investigated etc then the answer to your question is no, they are not above the law

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#1218446 20-Jan-2015 17:13

Police are normally tougher on their own than the general public. So to answer your question...no.

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#1218480 20-Jan-2015 18:19

KiwiNZ: Given that it was investigated etc then the answer to your question is no, they are not above the law

So the law says it is OK to shoot people's pets with arrows?

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#1218487 20-Jan-2015 18:29

Geektastic:
KiwiNZ: Given that it was investigated etc then the answer to your question is no, they are not above the law

So the law says it is OK to shoot people's pets with arrows?

Apparently so if the animal is on your property.

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#1218488 20-Jan-2015 18:30

Geektastic:
KiwiNZ: Given that it was investigated etc then the answer to your question is no, they are not above the law

So the law says it is OK to shoot people's pets with arrows?

No, the law says that Police MUST consider certain criteria when deciding whether or not to lay charges, having reviewed ALL the evidence (not just that our sensationalist media choose to selectively publish or broadcast).

Actually, yes...in certain circumstances shooting an animal is justified.

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#1218523 20-Jan-2015 19:31

Geektastic:
KiwiNZ: Given that it was investigated etc then the answer to your question is no, they are not above the law

So the law says it is OK to shoot people's pets with arrows?

In this case, the decision appears to be that it was legal to non-fatally shoot a potentially aggressive animal that had entered his property, not on a leash and not being controlled by a handler.

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#1218546 20-Jan-2015 20:06

The evidence is quite clear that to an extent the Police are above the law. That's just what happens when the agency charged with being their watchdog is internal.

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#1218548 20-Jan-2015 20:09

NZtechfreak: The evidence is quite clear that to an extent the Police are above the law. That's just what happens when the agency charged with being their watchdog is internal.

So you have read the file etc from the inquiry

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#1218558 20-Jan-2015 20:14

What was the demeanour of the dog? Were there any children on the property? Were there any fears for the safety of any persons on the property? How many days after the reporting of the shooting was the policeman asked about it? How often does this animal just roam the streets? How many complaints have there been about it? How often had the owner been dealt with by animal control? Has the dog been impounded before? What attitude has the owner displayed in respect of any of the previous? Etc... There's many, many giant holes in this story.

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#1218559 20-Jan-2015 20:14

KiwiNZ:
NZtechfreak: The evidence is quite clear that to an extent the Police are above the law. That's just what happens when the agency charged with being their watchdog is internal.

So you have read the file etc from the inquiry

Oh I'm not referring to this case at all, there have been numerous cases in recent years where the Police have been given more leeway than regular citizens.

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#1218561 20-Jan-2015 20:18

NZtechfreak: The evidence is quite clear that to an extent the Police are above the law. That's just what happens when the agency charged with being their watchdog is internal.

What a load of utter rubbish. Take a look here: http://www.ipca.govt.nz

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#1218563 20-Jan-2015 20:19

NZtechfreak:
KiwiNZ:
NZtechfreak: The evidence is quite clear that to an extent the Police are above the law. That's just what happens when the agency charged with being their watchdog is internal.

So you have read the file etc from the inquiry

Oh I'm not referring to this case at all, there have been numerous cases in recent years where the Police have been given more leeway than regular citizens.

Oh OK

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#1218605 20-Jan-2015 21:08

NZtechfreak: The evidence is quite clear that to an extent the Police are above the law. That's just what happens when the agency charged with being their watchdog is internal.

This may be what the media portray, but having previously been in the force, I can say that in almost all instances that is simply a load of bollocks. Police bosses take no prisoners when dealing with their own, and staff generally get a much harder deal than any member of the general public.

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#1218620 20-Jan-2015 21:36

scuwp:
NZtechfreak: The evidence is quite clear that to an extent the Police are above the law. That's just what happens when the agency charged with being their watchdog is internal.

This may be what the media portray, but having previously been in the force, I can say that in almost all instances that is simply a load of bollocks. Police bosses take no prisoners when dealing with their own, and staff generally get a much harder deal than any member of the general public.

Bit like Greg Carvell who had to spend $30,000 of his own money defending charges when he shot a machete wielding attacker in his gun shop. Although the self defence was legal, the police were salivating at the opportunity to gain some case law on firearms charges that they could use in future (a runner-up prize they were seeking).

Sure they could have let it go, but no they had to make an example.

Yet somehow we rarely see police made example of in all but the most extreme cases, half the time the system covers up or turns a blind eye.

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