Changing of our flag , Yes or No.

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#1448894 11-Dec-2015 21:15

Not the winer - only preliminary results. Official final count is on Tuesday 15th. But I think it will be hard to get a different final selection.

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#1448899 11-Dec-2015 21:21

At least now I can say it: Red Peak was a fluke and I can't believe so many people got behind it.

But hey - retweets, avatars, likes don't win elections. I wonder how many people who supported some of these choices actually voted.

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#1448901 11-Dec-2015 21:27

freitasm: Not the winer - only preliminary results. Official final count is on Tuesday 15th. But I think it will be hard to get a different final selection.

Not many times that they make a prediction and the result ends up being reversed.

Usually the margin needs to be pretty decent before they make a call on it.

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#1448902 11-Dec-2015 21:28

freitasm: At least now I can say it: Red Peak was a fluke and I can't believe so many people got behind it.

But hey - retweets, avatars, likes don't win elections. I wonder how many people who supported some of these choices actually voted.

I saw a version posted on GZ that was the Red Peak, modified, I wish I could find it. I would have voted for that instead, I thought it was AWESOME.

Having said that, Red Peak was my 3rd choice and if it had been picked I would have voted to keep our existing. The one that has "won" is the only choice, above our existing.

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#1448906 11-Dec-2015 21:37

I don't like the winning one, it is a crude hybrid if the existing flag, and the silver fern flag. It is not normal to to have any country emblem on the flag either. The fern also does look right, and I don't like the way it is also used as a mechanism to divide the colours, it is just crude design wise. The only flag like flag was the red peak one, but it was a flawed design, as it needed some link to the old flag, such as stars, otherwise it was always going to fail. Pretty much 17 million down the drain, which would have been better spent funding life saving drugs.

This is th sort of thing you get when people with no design taste, pick a flag designed by amateurs, chosen from a range of designs decided by a committee. It was a totally glad e process, proven by the fact that red peak was added afterwards. It should have all been done by professional designers.

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#1448915 11-Dec-2015 21:40

Or schools. Or anything but a flag voting.

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#1448920 11-Dec-2015 21:46

mattwnz: I don't like the winning one, it is a crude hybrid if the existing flag, and the silver fern flag. It is not normal to to have any country emblem on the flag either. The fern also does look right, and I don't like the way it is also used as a mechanism to divide the colours, it is just crude design wise. The only flag like flag was the red peak one, but it was a flawed design, as it needed some link to the old flag, such as stars, otherwise it was always going to fail. Pretty much 17 million down the drain, which would have been better spent funding life saving drugs.

This is th sort of thing you get when people with no design taste, pick a flag designed by amateurs, chosen from a range of designs decided by a committee. It was a totally glad e process, proven by the fact that red peak was added afterwards. It should have all been done by professional designers.

17 million is nothing (Relative to total money spent on everything annually). Could have been spent on better things possibly, but not everything needs to be spent on life saving measures :)

Lots of people including professional designers, put forward offerings. Ultimately a committee had to select some, ultimately there are going to be some people who will never agree no matter what gets picked, you can't keep everyone happy.

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#1448921 11-Dec-2015 21:47

freitasm: Or schools. Or anything but a flag voting.

SO much money is spent on Education, another 17 Million would have done nothing. If you want more benefit to money spent on education, make the existing money be used more efficiently.

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#1448935 11-Dec-2015 22:12

Some perspective:

The three largest areas of total Crown expenditure for the 2014/15 financial year were:

Social security and welfare: $28.2 billion
Health: $14.7 billion
Education: $13.5 billion

source: http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/expenditure

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#1448953 11-Dec-2015 23:19

I wasn't a big fan of red peak either and disliked the way it got added... but I will say one thing about it - it does scale nicely. Even the slight downscaling on that preliminary results page makes almost all the choices except red peak look like jaggy pixelated messes (though whoever resized them did a particularly bad job and jpeg...) Whereas red peak looks decent and identifiable even very small:

(sorry this has probably been hashed out elsewhere already but it was very noticable to me on that results page)

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#1448955 11-Dec-2015 23:27

For some reason when I quote Floydbloke's post it tells me that I have the wrong open and close tags, whatever they may be.

The three largest areas of total Crown expenditure for the 2014/15 financial year were:
Social security and welfare: $28.2 billion
Health: $14.7 billion
Education: $13.5 billion

What I wanted to say is that those numbers are so the wrong way round!

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#1448956 11-Dec-2015 23:29

I'm not a fan of the change at all, but the red, white and blue version of the 'winner' was a nicer option in my view.

I think it is possibly the most fatuous waste of time, money and effort any government ever has committed.

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#1448985 12-Dec-2015 00:52

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freitasm: Or schools. Or anything but a flag voting.

SO much money is spent on Education, another 17 Million would have done nothing. If you want more benefit to money spent on education, make the existing money be used more efficiently.

Although you could say that about any money that gets spent, although 17 millions isn't insignificant. However as quoted in teh media a few weeks ago, 17 million would have paid for that new Melanoma Drug for a year, for those people that need it which I believe has been proven to have dramatic effects and prolong life, without the horrible side effects of other treatments.

If it happens, I wonder how much the National Anthem referendum is going to cost? I hope they don't run it in the same way, and hire professionals to come up with compositions.

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#1449035 12-Dec-2015 08:31

With respect to the cost of the referendum:

a) Everyone quotes similar sums of money; but these figures are rarely attributed to a reliable source, so how to we know they are valid?
b) People seem to consider this as "lost" money, which "would have been better spent on XXXX".

However, it is reasonable to suppose that most of the money spent on the referendum is being introduced into the NZ economy and circulated anyway; to the benefit of a whole bunch of people. I'm sure a lot of the amounts of money being paid are in the form of wages/salaries for various people (for example, the people who get to count the votes), OR for services in the NZ market (for example, paying for the production and printing of the paperwork; the postage; the advertising, etc). In most cases, that "services" money will go into the pockets of those people providing the service, or employed by the service provider. And a certain percentage will be returned to the Government in the form of tax anyway.

"Wasted" money? Not really.
"Helping the NZ economy"? Probably.
"Keeping honest Kiwi's in work"? Well, in the case of NZ Post; absolutely! What else do they actually deliver to people's houses these days??? :-)

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#1449040 12-Dec-2015 08:45

I agree James and a good point. Much of the cost will re circulate into the economy by way of wages earned, services provided by the private sector, and an amount of the private to public money movements will be spent by the earners in the economy.

I like the flag.

1. It seperates us from Australia, a very similar flag
2. Black is NZ's icon colour, fern is not as iconic as the kiwi but its close. Southern Cross shows some link to the old flag.

New flag? No. Its an update to the old flag, removing Union Jack, adding NZ fern and black colour to make it a NZ flag not a Commonwealth flag

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