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Topic # 173360 20-May-2015 16:33
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So whats everybody's opinion on this. ???

Would I like to see it changed well yes but I don't think it takes however many millions to arrive at a decision.

I have liked Key from the beginning however this to me seems to be his own agenda of wanting to do this on his watch regardless of what polls are already showing.

The first consultation process resulted in less than 10 people turning up what does this tell you.

Most signs are pointing at people wanting to retain the current flag.




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  Reply # 1308616 20-May-2015 16:39
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I have not decided yet, it is good that the issue is being discussed and the opportunity to contribute to the decision. Two options I do like are ...








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  Reply # 1308619 20-May-2015 16:40
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Yes change it.  The current one looks too colonial and too much like the Australian one..  I like Mike's top one..




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  Reply # 1308620 20-May-2015 16:43
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My opinion, not too worried if it changes or stays the same, but the replacement would have to be pretty damn good (and NOT red black and white). I don't think there is a lot wrong with the current flag, except it looks too much like the Australian flag. I see good arguments for both changing, and keeping.

Also, I think Key is in between a bit of a rock and a hard place here - he promised before the last election he would have a referendum on it. If he doesn't he is accused of flip-flopping, he does and is accused of wasting money (and  IMO $26m is about right to run the sort of consultation a decision of this magnitude requires).

I think the flag will stay, and the conspirisist in me says that's what Key wanted all along, he knew the media would jump on the costs involved (and this is just the first stage - if it actually changes it will cost LOTS more) and that public opinion would sway into the No camp.

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  Reply # 1308635 20-May-2015 16:52
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Not too worried either way , but an extra box on the last elections ballot paper as to whether you supported a change or not
could have seen the reported  $25M cost been put to better use.

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  Reply # 1308645 20-May-2015 17:00
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What a waste of $$$

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  Reply # 1308666 20-May-2015 17:23
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The master plan is to have 2 referenda at great expense to the taxpayer.

The first referendum will be about the preferred new design, and the second referendum will about whether to accept the preferred new design.

The referenda should be held in the opposite order, for 2 reasons:

1. If the majority want to keep the old colonial flag, then it is pointless looking at new designs and there will be no need for a second referendum.
2. Whatever new design is preferred, only some of those wanting a new flag will like it - so they will vote for the old flag.

Having the referenda in the proposed order will almost guarantee that the status quo will be maintained, even if the majority of New Zealanders want a new flag.

It's being set up to fail, and you and I are going to pay for it (twice).

[I am in favour of a new flag without the Union Jack, even though both of my parents were English]




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  Reply # 1308668 20-May-2015 17:29
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Meh

Why couldn't they a 'do you want to change the flag' referendum question have been put on the last election ballot, and if that was a majority yes, spend a much smaller amount of money to come up with 3 or 4 alternative designs that would go on the next election ballot ('cos what's the hurry).

That way we don't waste millions of dollars designing new flags when the outcome may very well be keep the current one anyway.




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  Reply # 1308669 20-May-2015 17:29
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yes, change it

this says it all

Will we be the last to change?

Will we be the last to change?

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  Reply # 1308670 20-May-2015 17:30
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The Bicycle flag FTW!!

Why are we spending so much money just to end up with keeping our current flag or a new one that is very similar to the old one...

We are better to give all the money to Team New Zealand instead!




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  Reply # 1308674 20-May-2015 17:36
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we spend $57M a day on social welfare, WTH is another $25M

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  Reply # 1308675 20-May-2015 17:40
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The 'People's Republic of New Zealand'


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  Reply # 1308677 20-May-2015 17:43
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"If" we do change No red or blue, theose colors are only on there because on the union jack....

 

some thing like





 


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  Reply # 1308680 20-May-2015 17:45
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nathan: The 'People's Republic of New Zealand'



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  Reply # 1308681 20-May-2015 17:46
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If anything I say the kids push bike pic that was featured on Stuff

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  Reply # 1308682 20-May-2015 17:47
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nathan: yes, change it

this says it all

Will we be the last to change?

Will we be the last to change?



Yuck. The "now" flags do not look as nice as the commonwealth predecessors.

Stick with what we have.
I like our flag just the way it is.




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