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#3216447 10-Apr-2024 08:14

The three Christian religious statutory holidays could be replaced with three days extra annual leave for observance with protection written into the Holidays Act. New Zealand does not have an official religion which makes it inconsistent to have statutory protection for just one of the religions practiced in New Zealand.

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#3216460 10-Apr-2024 08:56

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Unsure how the tourist industry would go if stats were replaced by annual leave days. Perhaps too many want to take leave in Summer? Perhaps the tourist season drops away and is spread throughout the year? Operators that have a weak season where they hire extras and ease that back off season might be forced to get used to erratic annual sales?

Yup, that's a very important factor as well. I hadn't considered that.

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#3216554 10-Apr-2024 14:16

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The three Christian religious statutory holidays could be replaced with three days extra annual leave for observance with protection written into the Holidays Act. New Zealand does not have an official religion which makes it inconsistent to have statutory protection for just one of the religions practiced in New Zealand.

Again, this does nothing for the people who typically work these days now, because they're usually casual or part time - or the owner/family - and currently get zero days annual leave, and an extra three days annual leave would still equal zero.

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#3216556 10-Apr-2024 14:44

Kyanar:

MikeB4:

The three Christian religious statutory holidays could be replaced with three days extra annual leave for observance with protection written into the Holidays Act. New Zealand does not have an official religion which makes it inconsistent to have statutory protection for just one of the religions practiced in New Zealand.

Again, this does nothing for the people who typically work these days now, because they're usually casual or part time - or the owner/family - and currently get zero days annual leave, and an extra three days annual leave would still equal zero.

As I wrote "three days extra annual leave for observance with protection written into the Holidays Act" In other words attributed the same statutory protection as the statutory holidays are afforded now. The difference being they are not linked to just the christian days. Other faiths can use them for observance at times that fit them.

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#3216575 10-Apr-2024 16:14

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As I wrote "three days extra annual leave for observance with protection written into the Holidays Act" In other words attributed the same statutory protection as the statutory holidays are afforded now. The difference being they are not linked to just the christian days. Other faiths can use them for observance at times that fit them.

Which would still equal zero. Casuals don't have annual leave. Part timers don't have annual leave. Contractors don't have annual leave. Owners and family members don't have annual leave. Your idea also fails to consider those people who do work on public holidays. Instead of time and a half plus a day in lieu, you're saying "you'll get one day off and you'll like it". It leaves them worse off which I sure as heck would not support. You're doing the same thing as MikeAqua in that you propose something that benefits white-collar workers and screws blue-collar workers.

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#3216576 10-Apr-2024 16:18

Kyanar:

MikeB4:

As I wrote "three days extra annual leave for observance with protection written into the Holidays Act" In other words attributed the same statutory protection as the statutory holidays are afforded now. The difference being they are not linked to just the christian days. Other faiths can use them for observance at times that fit them.

Which would still equal zero. Casuals don't have annual leave. Part timers don't have annual leave. Contractors don't have annual leave. Owners and family members don't have annual leave. Your idea also fails to consider those people who do work on public holidays. Instead of time and a half plus a day in lieu, you're saying "you'll get one day off and you'll like it". It leaves them worse off which I sure as heck would not support. You're doing the same thing as MikeAqua in that you propose something that benefits white-collar workers and screws blue-collar workers.

Part time employees are entitled to paid annual leave

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#3216624 10-Apr-2024 16:54

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Unsure how the tourist industry would go if stats were replaced by annual leave days. Perhaps too many want to take leave in Summer? Perhaps the tourist season drops away and is spread throughout the year? Operators that have a peak season where they hire extras and ease that back off season might be forced to get used to erratic annual sales?

no one gets to take annual leave during peak season, simple as that. also many operators have part timers for the season which typically don't get holidays anyway. all that would happen is workers would loose the 1.5 time they got for working through the public holidays.

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#3216630 10-Apr-2024 17:06

Part timers do get the same 4 weeks annual leave as everyone else, and as per the holidays act, payment is based on the higher of the current earnings, average from the last 4 weeks earnings or average of the last 52 weeks. It may only account to 10-12 days per year (depending on number of days worked), but it exists. The loopy thing is that part timers who may only work 1-2 days a week are still entitled to 10 days sick leave, same as a full time staff member who works days a week, there is no pro-rata for sick leave.

Casual workers are also paid holiday pay, this is usually on an "as you go" basis, meaning their 8% is paid within the same pay cycle as their normal wage. This makes sense, as theoretically a casual worker can be used or not on any given shift, its impractical to have a set number of weeks. There are some cases where employers use "casuals" instead of permanent part time staff. My daughter worked for a bar that did this with their waitresses, very sketchy and I'm pleased she didn't work there long.

Regardless of employment type, staff must be paid time and a half for working on a public holiday. Whether or not they also accrue a lieu day depends on whether or not that public holiday is a normal working day. If they are employed specifically for that day, then there is no lieu day.

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#3216640 10-Apr-2024 17:17

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no one gets to take annual leave during peak season, simple as that. also many operators have part timers for the season which typically don't get holidays anyway. all that would happen is workers would loose the 1.5 time they got for working through the public holidays.

That is a big assumption. If my staff gave ample notice or it was urgent I would approve leave during peak time. It was my job as manager to manage and to apply contingencies.

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#3216682 10-Apr-2024 18:50

MikeB4:

tweake:

no one gets to take annual leave during peak season, simple as that. also many operators have part timers for the season which typically don't get holidays anyway. all that would happen is workers would loose the 1.5 time they got for working through the public holidays.

That is a big assumption. If my staff gave ample notice or it was urgent I would approve leave during peak time. It was my job as manager to manage and to apply contingencies.

i'm assuming the business actually wants to make money at the one time a year it can.

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#3216684 10-Apr-2024 19:00

tweake:

tdgeek:

Unsure how the tourist industry would go if stats were replaced by annual leave days. Perhaps too many want to take leave in Summer? Perhaps the tourist season drops away and is spread throughout the year? Operators that have a peak season where they hire extras and ease that back off season might be forced to get used to erratic annual sales?

no one gets to take annual leave during peak season, simple as that. also many operators have part timers for the season which typically don't get holidays anyway. all that would happen is workers would loose the 1.5 time they got for working through the public holidays.

Agree. What pubic holidays as they would not exist. It would be a mish mash. Given that the globe will still see "public holidays" and arrive in the tourist season, the tourist season will not be the same as before. Im looking at it from the operators POV, the peak season will be weaker

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#3216812 11-Apr-2024 06:51

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I don’t understand why it is necessary to be able to shop 365 days a year.

Because society has evolved to a point where many (probably a majority) believe that consumer convenience has a higher degree of importance than religious traditions.

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