Anyone else see the Meghan Harry Oprah Interview? -Spoiler alert!

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#2672505 12-Mar-2021 21:22

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Yes, thought about it. Maybe if they’re blasted through massive audio systems in enclosed spaces, causing organ rupture? Any noise could do that, doesn’t need to be a language. Otherwise not. There’s no auralvirus, I checked. Seems to be zero history of murder convictions (or even prosecutions) where the chief weapon was “Names”.

You are breaking Wheaton's Law and being a dick. You aren't allowed to post in this thread again.

Wow. Its an unfortunate side topic, I have personal experience from family members of colour, a reply I dont agree with is one thing but essentially making fun of it, is quite shocking.

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#2673652 13-Mar-2021 10:46

1024kb:
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The whole notion that " ...names can never hurt me" is total rubbish. Names and words can do actual harm and history teaches us that names and by association attitudes cause real harm and death. If used by persons perceived of being in higher position that gives validity to some that their words and actions are OK.

How on earth can words cause death?

Count the suicides caused by verbal bullying,

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#2674694 15-Mar-2021 08:23

MikeB4:

Have you heard of bullying until someone commits suicide? Like I said think about

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me" is a lesson parents teach their children about ignoring name calling and getting on with life.

The more we teach our children that names can hurt them the more they will be hurt by the name calling.

It is actually an interesting topic. For example Section 163 of the Crimes Act "Killing by influence on the mind"

No one is criminally responsible for the killing of another by any influence on the mind alone, except by wilfully frightening a child under the age of 16 years or a sick person, nor for the killing of another by any disorder or disease arising from such influence, except by wilfully frightening any such child as aforesaid or a sick person.

With governments around the world looking at hate speech legislation the question is, have we got a better understanding of the human condition? or have we just got softer? or something in-between

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#2674697 15-Mar-2021 08:39

The sticks and stones line dates back to when bigotry was tolerated you know, last week. It is utter bollocks. Name calling better known as racism, bigotry, abuse, bullying, assault and so on hurts, it hurts deeply and for life. Standing up to this is not being "soft" it is called standing up to the reality and saying no its not right and it has to stop.

My grand daughter has been subjected to vile racial abuse and trust me it hurts, it really hurts. I have been subjected to abuse and bullying as has two of my sons because of disabilities. Anyone who attempts to lesson abuse by saying that is being soft or some other justification is guilty of abuse.

Bullying is a crime, it causes religious damage and can and has caused death. @mdooher I urge you to think again and open your mind.

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#2674707 15-Mar-2021 08:57

MikeB4:

The sticks and stones line dates back to when bigotry was tolerated you know, last week. It is utter bollocks. Name calling better known as racism, bigotry, abuse, bullying, assault and so on hurts, it hurts deeply and for life. Standing up to this is not being "soft" it is called standing up to the reality and saying no its not right and it has to stop.

My grand daughter has been subjected to vile racial abuse and trust me it hurts, it really hurts. I have been subjected to abuse and bullying as has two of my sons because of disabilities. Anyone who attempts to lesson abuse by saying that is being soft or some other justification is guilty of abuse.

Bullying is a crime, it causes religious damage and can and has caused death. @mdooher I urge you to think again and open your mind.

I thought my post was pretty open minded, I could be persuaded either way.

and just point; Bullying is not a crime, to be a crime it must me in the Crimes Act

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#2674713 15-Mar-2021 09:06

Bullying can come under assault and that is in the crimes act

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#2674725 15-Mar-2021 09:28

OK - I think this topic has moved from an interview with two former Royals and more to a discussion on Social issues and the societal fallout that causes.

I'd like to go back to the original topic if I may...this is not to deflect from the things that people are saying here, but more that I have been thinking about the whole fiasco.

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I do wonder how much the Royal Family really run the firm. They are figureheads. They get managed.

They have their diaries managed, they are bowed and curtsied to, in order to give the illusion that they are in charge (this of course is all supposition).

The upper classes of the UK and Commonwealth have a real PR problem. They need to keep the commoners common. So - when a commoner enters the party and starts agitating to make things "better" or "more modern" or "progressive" then I believe the machine chews them up and spits them out.

I think the very real spectre of racism lingers (especially at the top - you can't deny that Big Phil is a racist - his past words and actions show that pretty clearly), but I also think that had Meghan been white (with the same past, career, fame, commoner influence etc), there would have also been the same sort of backlash...it just would have been done differently. It wouldn't have been race-based in any way.

Fergie was ousted, Diana was killed off and others have quietly been pushed away from the Royals.

The Machine is the entire thing...the Firm. The Royalists and Royal Court are a powerful lot and I think their influence is astonishing. Will the Monarchy die off? Maybe one day. But there are always people that will take over from those at the top (not the Royals, but their entourage). There'll always be another evil, high-born (possibly even low-born, with aspirations) person to perpetrate the same agendas until such time that the Family no longer holds power...Can't see the end of this kind of thing for some time.

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#2674731 15-Mar-2021 09:37

@Handsomedan I look upon like any government department or agency. Parliament has the ultimate control but the CEO is responsible for the day to day administration. In this case the Queen is the CEO and has under her the senior leadership team made up of senior royals and civil servants..

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#2674735 15-Mar-2021 09:42

MikeB4: @Handsomedan I look upon like any government department or agency. Parliament has the ultimate control but the CEO is responsible for the day to day administration. In this case the Queen is the CEO and has under her the senior leadership team made up of senior royals and civil servants..

@MikeB4 I'm actually not so sure about that...I think she'd believe that. But I don't think it's quite true.

Maybe I've seen too many movies or read too many books, but I see The Machine as being more in control than the family.

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#2674738 15-Mar-2021 09:50

Many CEOs that I have experienced in government have no real clue due to the fence of underlings that provide a deflection shield. I do believe however believe the Queen is more in touch than many think. That is not to say that her senior royals are and I guess that is on her.

She has some major issues to address but I wonder if parliament is say no and is more concerned with electoral damage control and sweeping the issues under the red carpet.

I further don’t believe monarchy is for the 21s century and beyond.

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#2674743 15-Mar-2021 09:58

Handsomedan:

Maybe I've seen too many movies or read too many books, but I see The Machine as being more in control than the family.

That's what I picked up from the interview. The Queen can and should set a different direction. But the UK public are overwhelmingly against Harry and Meghan, so by association, the UK public wants the caste system to remain, and will embrace those that are suitable, and tie down and muffle those that they are forced to tolerate. Seems to be a British culture problem?

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#2674745 15-Mar-2021 10:02

The outcome of the interview is classic victim blaming and is an example of why Me Too has a long way to go.

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#2674748 15-Mar-2021 10:12

In an interesting twist it seems Megan has some complaints against her for bullying the staff she was given by the palace to assist her. As I recall, a number of her staff left, apparently there were a lot of tears involved. The palace has decided to use an outside firm of lawyers to investigate all the claims so they won’t be seen as influencing. The old saying, 'what comes around goes around,' comes to mind.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/meghan-markle-bullying-palace-lawyers-b1816933.html

@mdooher Thanks for the reminder. I remember the 'sticks and stones will hurt my bones but names will never hurt me' saying back when I was a kid at school and was bullied because my parents were foreign and so was my lunch. When someone was being nasty it was commonly chanted back at the perpetrator and it made you feel good that you had a weapon of words to counter the playground meanness. For a child, it’s a non violent response that empowers them. I know being able to answer back with that chant made me feel stronger than taking it silently. I later grew up with sympathy for the downtrodden, kindness for the weak and an enormous admiration for those that dealt with the blows of life without complaining or being victims.

My very gentle, soft spoken granddaughter has also been bullied for not being able to skip well, so I am well aware of the effects. I’ve taught her the same rhyme to mutter to herself to give her courage and have also explained that life isn’t always fair and there will always be mean and nasty people to deal with, so she needs to understand this and choose her companions wisely and view the nasty ones as sick people to be pitied but ignored because she is superior to them because she is kind. You can’t legislate against every possibility in life and kids need to learn to accept there will be good and bad people and act accordingly. Mine has now been sent to karate so she feels physically stronger, but her kindness shines.

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#2674759 15-Mar-2021 10:42

Eva888: Mine has now been sent to karate so she feels physically stronger, but her kindness shines.

What I love about Martial Arts is that the vast majority are steeped in traditions of self control, virtue and discipline.

I did Karate for a number of years as a teen and really enjoyed it. I do wish I had encouraged my boys to take it up...it's as good for the mind as it is for the body. And it can make you feel safer, even if you're not.

Right - back to the topic at hand.

The bullying of staff aspect I find interesting, because this came out before the interview. Was the interview a pre-emptive strike, or damage control by Meghan? I am unsure. I don't know her motives, but I don't trust the Royal Machine either. "Independent Law Firm"...who'd want to investigate the Royals, if based in the UK? I can't see that amounting to anything but her being blamed for bullying. Rightly or wrongly.

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#2674761 15-Mar-2021 10:49

Who knows, as both parties want to protect themselves. I doubt Markle handled her forced isolation with a smile, no doubt got annoyed or angry. What's the factual account? Only a few know

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