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#3111782 4-Aug-2023 13:28

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Mostly illegal immigrants rather than refugees, currently costing the British taxpayers some NZ$15 million a day to accommodate. It is hardly unreasonable for a government to seek ways of reducing such expenditure.

I really don't want to get into this but they are asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants. It's not illegal to enter the UK and seek asylum..

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#3111796 4-Aug-2023 14:26

martyyn:

I really don't want to get into this but they are asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants. It's not illegal to enter the UK and seek asylum..

After the recently passed immigration bill I think it kind of is, or at the very least it's nigh on impossible to do legally.

Which do doubt is the point.

The Tory's immigration and climate policies are both examples of them aping Australian politics and deploying the Lynton Crosby playbook.

Hopefully it will end the same way for them as it did for the Morrison government at next year's general election.

Meanwhile, we'll just let farmers do whatever the hell they like for another decade and build some four lane highways if our election goes as predicted. 🙄

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#3111797 4-Aug-2023 14:40

As climate change bites around the globe all nations will need to relax their immigration and refugee policies.

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#3111804 4-Aug-2023 15:13

MikeB4: As climate change bites around the globe all nations will need to relax their immigration and refugee policies.

While I understand what you mean Mike, I imagine the opposite is going to happen.

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#3111813 4-Aug-2023 15:37

MikeB4: As climate change bites around the globe all nations will need to relax their immigration and refugee policies.

Just as well that we have more houses and other resources than we know what to do with in NZ so that we'll be able to accommodate them all

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#3111815 4-Aug-2023 15:38

martyyn:

I really don't want to get into this but they are asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants. It's not illegal to enter the UK and seek asylum..

The idea of asylum seeking is to seek it in the first safe country that you get to, not to travel across a bunch of safe democracies in western Europe so that you can get to the country with the most advantageous welfare policies.

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#3111822 4-Aug-2023 15:52

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MikeB4: As climate change bites around the globe all nations will need to relax their immigration and refugee policies.

While I understand what you mean Mike, I imagine the opposite is going to happen.

Better still, the Venn diagram of people who don't believe in climate change and people who are scared of boat people is a circle.

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#3111824 4-Aug-2023 16:01

Our Pacific Island friends will need New Zealand and Australia to have open hearts and open borders.

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#3111831 4-Aug-2023 16:47

shk292:

The idea of asylum seeking is to seek it in the first safe country that you get to, not to travel across a bunch of safe democracies in western Europe so that you can get to the country with the most advantageous welfare policies.

This has been debunked so many times it's not funny.

It's more than likely people go through countries because they don't speak the language, don't feel safe in the first country for other reasons, or they have family in a second or third country.

Like I said I'm not getting into this on here.

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#3111845 4-Aug-2023 17:59

martyyn:
This has been debunked so many times it's not funny.

It's more than likely people go through countries because they don't speak the language, don't feel safe in the first country for other reasons, or they have family in a second or third country.

Like I said I'm not getting into this on here.

Agreed, best not to!

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#3111849 4-Aug-2023 18:10

martyyn:
Geektastic:

Mostly illegal immigrants rather than refugees, currently costing the British taxpayers some NZ$15 million a day to accommodate. It is hardly unreasonable for a government to seek ways of reducing such expenditure.

I really don't want to get into this but they are asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants. It's not illegal to enter the UK and seek asylum..

The vast majority of Britain doesn’t agree with you.

Under various European conventions, asylum should be sought in the first safe country. There are a number of them between the point of origin and Britain.

It’s very easy to sit comfortably in NZ making virtuous pronouncements when NZ is entirely unaffected by the cost and social problems it’s causing.

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#3111850 4-Aug-2023 18:11

shk292:

MikeB4: As climate change bites around the globe all nations will need to relax their immigration and refugee policies.

Just as well that we have more houses and other resources than we know what to do with in NZ so that we'll be able to accommodate them all

You forgot the /s

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#3111854 4-Aug-2023 18:16

MikeB4: Our Pacific Island friends will need New Zealand and Australia to have open hearts and open borders.

1000%

But humans are humans, path of least resistance. The southern cousins will do just that, but Northern Hemisphere it may be brutal. But it will be a long slow issue. Regrettably it may come down to who has the most armaments. Its a pity us humans cannot hunker down and cooperate. Thats not a human quality (it is locally but not internationally)

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#3111861 4-Aug-2023 18:32

Geektastic:

Under various European conventions, asylum should be sought in the first safe country.

Just as well the Brexit vote f-- wait.

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#3113224 8-Aug-2023 12:32

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So certain man made pollutants are good for the climate, as are forest fires / volcanic eruptions?

Yes indeed. One of the deniers' favourite questions is "If the climate is warming, how come the global temperature decreased between 1950 & 1970?" The answer apparently is smoke and dust (WW2 burning cities and increased factory production and burning coal and nuclear explosions) and sulphur dioxide (also coal). Pollution controls and acid rain concerns changed all of that, so the true rate of climate change is now visible.

This is also a nice example to hit deniers with when they claim we can't change the climate. We did change the climate between 1940 and 1950 as an unintended consequence of other decisions. Then we changed it again in the 70s.

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