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#3016408 3-Jan-2023 11:12

We got some "home kill" beef a few weeks back.

Used some of the mince last night to make Nachos

1. The mince actually fried, not boil in a soup

2. It tasted a damn sight better

Why are we with our "best farming etc in the world" getting over priced water saturated slop ?

The retailers should be forced to say how much water they inject into our meat

I stopped buying bacon a decade ago because of this.

1L of water weighs 1Kg, so exactly why am I paying $8-$20 per litre of water as part of the product I want to buy ?

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#3016409 3-Jan-2023 11:29

tdgeek:

Its a supply issue as your post alluded to. If 10 years is too short for farmers to adapt, maybe the Act or Regulation could have stated 20 years? We have been buying free range eggs at the supey for a long time, some have adapted. Some haven't. Summer is higher consumption and you then have panic buyers. I read we are down 300,000. 5 months to grow them.

10 years is plenty of time to migrate to a different system, but if many haven't made the effort, its not a quick fix. But many have.

Depends whose feet you want to shoot

10 years was plenty long enough. The problem was the mixed messages from the politicians and the unhelpful decision by the supermarkets. Free range has been on the shelves for a long while but it isn't a sustainable solution for our total egg supply.

The shooting was done by the politicians and supermarket chains.

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#3016410 3-Jan-2023 11:41

There have been plenty of eggs on my last few trips to costco so no evidence of any shortage that I can see.

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#3016421 3-Jan-2023 13:18

Egg Farmers run a business for profit. If the option that government chooses for them is not financially viable, they will walk and that’s what has happened. Some city people sitting behind desks concoct rules that aren’t in anyones interest.

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#3016422 3-Jan-2023 13:21

You haven't been shopping in the right places. Plenty of supermarkets rationing or no eggs at all.

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#3016426 3-Jan-2023 13:35

tdgeek:

Its a supply issue as your post alluded to. If 10 years is too short for farmers to adapt, maybe the Act or Regulation could have stated 20 years? We have been buying free range eggs at the supey for a long time, some have adapted. Some haven't. Summer is higher consumption and you then have panic buyers. I read we are down 300,000. 5 months to grow them.

10 years is plenty of time to migrate to a different system, but if many haven't made the effort, its not a quick fix. But many have.

Depends whose feet you want to shoot

What sensible people would have done is see that there was a serious problem meeting the deadline and that this was going to happen. Then those people could have gone to the industry leaders and institutes and asked them what the challenges were, and assessed if a phased delay to the system was a practical and sensible way forward. Perhaps they could have started with 20% and then increased 6 monthly or whatever was deemed reasonable for the remaining productions to convert.

10 Years seems like a lot of time yes, but the last 3 years you could discount as being nearly impossible to make effective change, the costs of conversion aren't significant and people and money haven't exactly been in high supply lately.

It should have been delayed. Not forever.

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#3016429 3-Jan-2023 13:47

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300777423/rolling-stones-greatest-200-singers-list-snubs-celine-dion-riling-fans

How ridiculous. She is a once in a life time talent.

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#3016430 3-Jan-2023 13:54

networkn:

What sensible people would have done is see that there was a serious problem meeting the deadline and that this was going to happen. Then those people could have gone to the industry leaders and institutes and asked them what the challenges were, and assessed if a phased delay to the system was a practical and sensible way forward. Perhaps they could have started with 20% and then increased 6 monthly or whatever was deemed reasonable for the remaining productions to convert.

10 Years seems like a lot of time yes, but the last 3 years you could discount as being nearly impossible to make effective change, the costs of conversion aren't significant and people and money haven't exactly been in high supply lately.

It should have been delayed. Not forever.

As per your initial post, it wasnt planned properly. Perhaps it could have been planned better and eased in on a further 5 year timeframe. Although, Ive not seen any news on egg problems in the last 10 years. I would have thought that this would be big news in the last year, but nothing. Yes, the last 3 years have been tough but whats been going on the previous 7? Many have adapted. Interesting that Australia and the UK have similar issues. Similar free range legislation. Same grain cost and fuel cost issues, the same pushback from supermarkets on prices. With that in mind, its just an unlucky set of circumstances that National could not have foreseen in 2012, Labour could not have foreseen in 2016, and March 2020, too late

(UK has Avian Flu issues, but from what Ive read thats not significant)

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#3016431 3-Jan-2023 13:59

networkn:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300777423/rolling-stones-greatest-200-singers-list-snubs-celine-dion-riling-fans

How ridiculous. She is a once in a life time talent.

100% on that. I wish people in those industries can just vote on merit, its farcical, and this is more than farcical.

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#3016434 3-Jan-2023 14:26

tdgeek:

networkn:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300777423/rolling-stones-greatest-200-singers-list-snubs-celine-dion-riling-fans

How ridiculous. She is a once in a life time talent.

100% on that. I wish people in those industries can just vote on merit, its farcical, and this is more than farcical.

Merit ?, In an industry that is all about Egos

There are so many "award" shows it almost like player of the day award in primary school sports.

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#3016435 3-Jan-2023 14:29

MikeB4:
The industry had plenty of notice of the cessation of factory eggs which is a very good thing.

Yup. It's like the shutdown of analog TV, copper phone networks, and 2G/3G service, about five million people had to deal with this, including profoundly nontechnical people, often with a lot less than ten years' notice, and somehow managed it. While I have some sympathy for the egg factory owners (this isn't farming in any sense, it's industrial egg manufacturing), they also had a decade to make the change.

And "a bit more time" isn't going to make any difference, those who were going to switch made the switch in plenty of time, those who weren't wouldn't be helped by any amount of extra time. There's a ton of research from the field of management science showing that extending deadlines like this has no effect. Here's the first Google hit, Harvard Business Review.

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#3016437 3-Jan-2023 14:33

They would have kept the old factories open for as long as possible to get the maximum value out of them with any extension, making an oversupply when added to the new factories and pushing prices down ruining the return on the newer compliant factories till shutdown time so extending it just punishes those that made the investment and gives more money to those keeping the old places running.

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#3016439 3-Jan-2023 14:36

richms:
They would have kept the old factories open for as long as possible to get the maximum value out of them with any extension, making an oversupply when added to the new factories and pushing prices down ruining the return on the newer compliant factories till shutdown time so extending it just punishes those that made the investment and gives more money to those keeping the old places running.

One possible way to deal with this would have been to allow old factories (in Germany these are known as "KZ chickens", concentration-camp chickens which is in effect what they are) running with ever-increasing penalty fees for each year. The longer you persist in running the concentration camps, the steeper the slope you have to push up gets, so there's a natural incentive to switch over time.

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#3016443 3-Jan-2023 14:53

The use of the word woke to describe banning of battery farming.

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#3016445 3-Jan-2023 15:12

Eva888: Egg Farmers run a business for profit. If the option that government chooses for them is not financially viable, they will walk and that’s what has happened. Some city people sitting behind desks concoct rules that aren’t in anyones interest.

They had ten years to change it was not a last minute decision put on them to stop their cruel and barbaric treatment of the creatures providing their profit. Many producers changed and changed quickly and will thrive those that didn't will fade away.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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