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#1275523 1-Apr-2015 16:58

KiwiNZ: I am totally flabbergasted that folks are prepared to accept and defend racial and other discrimination. It is disgraceful.

Sadly we are not all as morally pure as you...

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#1275550 1-Apr-2015 17:26

Geektastic:
Sadly we are not all as morally pure as you...

I hope that is not to mean that "well, we are not perfect - so why try"?

Where would we have been if there was no progress and people didn't get more rights? Women wouldn't be allowed to vote, we would still have black slaves, etc. Going far enough back the "regular joe" wouldn't have had a say either. Progress is a good thing, but it doesn't happen if everyone sits back and says "ah, well - thats life".

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#1275565 1-Apr-2015 17:37

jarledb:
Geektastic:
Sadly we are not all as morally pure as you...

I hope that is not to mean that "well, we are not perfect - so why try"?

Where would we have been if there was no progress and people didn't get more rights? Women wouldn't be allowed to vote, we would still have black slaves, etc. Going far enough back the "regular joe" wouldn't have had a say either. Progress is a good thing, but it doesn't happen if everyone sits back and says "ah, well - thats life".

I don't think it's more a case of "why try, lets all have slaves because nobody is perfect." As it is: "Haha, everybody with my skin colour was just called a cracka' on international television, but it was funny because I'm watching a comedy show under my own free will and am not being unjustifiably harassed in the middle of a street by a different race in a negative and threatening way."

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#1275573 1-Apr-2015 17:46

This thread is flirting with Godwin's law. Watching with interest....

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#1275577 1-Apr-2015 17:50

DravidDavid:
jarledb:
Geektastic:
Sadly we are not all as morally pure as you...

I hope that is not to mean that "well, we are not perfect - so why try"?

Where would we have been if there was no progress and people didn't get more rights? Women wouldn't be allowed to vote, we would still have black slaves, etc. Going far enough back the "regular joe" wouldn't have had a say either. Progress is a good thing, but it doesn't happen if everyone sits back and says "ah, well - thats life".

I don't think it's more a case of "why try, lets all have slaves because nobody is perfect." As it is: "Haha, everybody with my skin colour was just called a cracka' on international television, but it was funny because I'm watching a comedy show under my own free will and am not being unjustifiably harassed in the middle of a street by a different race in a negative and threatening way."

Some things are funny some things are not. A custard pie in the face is funny, a racial slur is not.

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#1275581 1-Apr-2015 18:00

KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid:
jarledb:
Geektastic:
Sadly we are not all as morally pure as you...

I hope that is not to mean that "well, we are not perfect - so why try"?

Where would we have been if there was no progress and people didn't get more rights? Women wouldn't be allowed to vote, we would still have black slaves, etc. Going far enough back the "regular joe" wouldn't have had a say either. Progress is a good thing, but it doesn't happen if everyone sits back and says "ah, well - thats life".

I don't think it's more a case of "why try, lets all have slaves because nobody is perfect." As it is: "Haha, everybody with my skin colour was just called a cracka' on international television, but it was funny because I'm watching a comedy show under my own free will and am not being unjustifiably harassed in the middle of a street by a different race in a negative and threatening way."

Some things are funny some things are not. A custard pie in the face is funny, a racial slur is not.

“There is a thin line that separates laughter and pain, comedy and tragedy, humor and hurt.”
― Erma Bombeck

Carol Burnett once said:

'I got my sense of humor from my mother. I’d tell her my tragedies. She’d make me laugh. She said comedy is tragedy plus time.'

So I think what you are debating is the amount of time involved.

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#1275606 1-Apr-2015 18:35

n4:
KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid:
jarledb:
Geektastic:
Sadly we are not all as morally pure as you...

I hope that is not to mean that "well, we are not perfect - so why try"?

Where would we have been if there was no progress and people didn't get more rights? Women wouldn't be allowed to vote, we would still have black slaves, etc. Going far enough back the "regular joe" wouldn't have had a say either. Progress is a good thing, but it doesn't happen if everyone sits back and says "ah, well - thats life".

I don't think it's more a case of "why try, lets all have slaves because nobody is perfect." As it is: "Haha, everybody with my skin colour was just called a cracka' on international television, but it was funny because I'm watching a comedy show under my own free will and am not being unjustifiably harassed in the middle of a street by a different race in a negative and threatening way."

Some things are funny some things are not. A custard pie in the face is funny, a racial slur is not.

“There is a thin line that separates laughter and pain, comedy and tragedy, humor and hurt.”
― Erma Bombeck

Carol Burnett once said:

'I got my sense of humor from my mother. I’d tell her my tragedies. She’d make me laugh. She said comedy is tragedy plus time.'

So I think what you are debating is the amount of time involved.

Well, there we are. Argument solved. Slavery was aaaages ago, so it must be hilarious! Haha :)

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#1275618 1-Apr-2015 19:03

DravidDavid:
n4:
KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid:
jarledb:
Geektastic:
Sadly we are not all as morally pure as you...

I hope that is not to mean that "well, we are not perfect - so why try"?

Where would we have been if there was no progress and people didn't get more rights? Women wouldn't be allowed to vote, we would still have black slaves, etc. Going far enough back the "regular joe" wouldn't have had a say either. Progress is a good thing, but it doesn't happen if everyone sits back and says "ah, well - thats life".

I don't think it's more a case of "why try, lets all have slaves because nobody is perfect." As it is: "Haha, everybody with my skin colour was just called a cracka' on international television, but it was funny because I'm watching a comedy show under my own free will and am not being unjustifiably harassed in the middle of a street by a different race in a negative and threatening way."

Some things are funny some things are not. A custard pie in the face is funny, a racial slur is not.

“There is a thin line that separates laughter and pain, comedy and tragedy, humor and hurt.”
― Erma Bombeck

Carol Burnett once said:

'I got my sense of humor from my mother. I’d tell her my tragedies. She’d make me laugh. She said comedy is tragedy plus time.'

So I think what you are debating is the amount of time involved.

Well, there we are. Argument solved. Slavery was aaaages ago, so it must be hilarious! Haha :)

Not hilarious no. Suitable for comedy/humour, yes. How long did it take before people made jokes about 9/11?

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#1275676 1-Apr-2015 20:11

Racism does not "offend" like vulgarity or insensitivity. It denigrates and dehumanizes.

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#1275685 1-Apr-2015 20:24

KiwiNZ: A custard pie in the face is funny,

A custard pie in the face hasn't been funny since 1929.

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#1275710 1-Apr-2015 20:53

blakamin:
KiwiNZ: A custard pie in the face is funny,

A custard pie in the face hasn't been funny since 1929.

it was an example

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#1275716 1-Apr-2015 21:07

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KiwiNZ: The use of a racist term in the Bridge Special in Burma clear and obvious and disgraceful

JC to one side for a moment ..... do you think Mike King is racist? Or Billy T, Billy C or hundreds of other brilliant comedians who have the skill to get us to laugh alongside and at each other?

I will ask you again KiwiNZ, because I am really trying to understand your logic in this interesting discussion - JC to one side for a moment ..... do you think Mike King is racist? Or Billy T, Billy C or hundreds of other brilliant comedians who have the skill to get us to laugh alongside and at each other?

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#1275719 1-Apr-2015 21:14

A day after Trevor Noah was announced as the next host of Jon Stewart's show, a number of people have exposed Trevor's history of racist and sexist tweets originally made in humour. It will be interesting to see the fallout (if any) from this and contrast it with the consequences of Clarkson's actions.

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#1275723 1-Apr-2015 21:18

pgs2050: A day after Trevor Noah was announced as the next host of Jon Stewart's show, a number of people have exposed Trevor's history of racist and sexist tweets originally made in humour. It will be interesting to see the fallout (if any) from this and contrast it with the consequences of Clarkson's actions.

I don't think there will be. Trevor is a nobody compared to Clarkson. If these polls and petitions have made anything abundantly clear, it's that Clarkson has more supporters than he does haters. I think we will be seeing tribute montages, haha! :)

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#1275775 1-Apr-2015 22:20

jarledb:
Geektastic:
Sadly we are not all as morally pure as you...

I hope that is not to mean that "well, we are not perfect - so why try"?

Where would we have been if there was no progress and people didn't get more rights? Women wouldn't be allowed to vote, we would still have black slaves, etc. Going far enough back the "regular joe" wouldn't have had a say either. Progress is a good thing, but it doesn't happen if everyone sits back and says "ah, well - thats life".

We'd be where we were, presumably.

I don't actually think much of this changes what people think. Almost everyone I know expresses very different views in private that they are constrained from expressing by one law or another when at work or in public - which causes a degree of tension that seems likely to have an effect of some sort.

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