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#3203814 6-Mar-2024 16:19

MikeAqua:

I used to think state owned broadcasters were a good idea, but that was when they were editorially neutral and objective. We haven't had that for years, maybe decades. Add in the strings attached media funding and it's all a bit ... icky, from a democratic perspective.

Citation required.

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#3203821 6-Mar-2024 16:30

@kiwi 64

Completely clear in this article to.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/510628/meta-won-t-renew-commercial-deals-with-australian-news-media

https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-says-will-no-longer-pay-traditional-news-content-australia-france-germany-2024-03-01/

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#3203852 6-Mar-2024 18:26

kiwi_64: this article: https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-says-will-no-longer-pay-traditional-news-content-australia-france-germany-2024-03-01/ states "Meta Platforms said it will stop paying Australian news publishers for content that appears on Facebook" ..seems reasonably clear

The quote is misleading. Meta will no longer publish Australian news. This means Meta is not required to pay. That is all. It is a normal commercial decision.

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#3203853 6-Mar-2024 18:33

Looks like TVNZ are also going to be making an announcement tomorrow about the future of their News...

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/511018/tvnz-to-make-announcement-about-future-tomorrow-staff-told

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#3203855 6-Mar-2024 18:47

MikeAqua: I used to think state owned broadcasters were a good idea, but that was when they were editorially neutral and objective. We haven't had that for years, maybe decades.

That is a terrible generalization. State broadcasters are all different depending on the state in question and have different operating models and different levels of editorial independence.

Imo we have done very well in NZ and are well served by excellent and defined editorial independence of our state funded news services. This is not the case in many countries. Imo we are a small country and it works well for us. We should keep it.

You only have to look at some of the well documented cases for Murdoch owned publications where it is very clear there is very limited editorial independence and politicians can gain a real advantage from being close to Murdoch.

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#3203856 6-Mar-2024 18:50

mattwnz: Looks like TVNZ are also going to be making an announcement tomorrow about the future of their News... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/511018/tvnz-to-make-announcement-about-future-tomorrow-staff-told

Let me guess: Hey guys, soon we have less competition in the news arena and we don't need to cover so much ground to stay ahead ; ).

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#3203858 6-Mar-2024 18:52

gzt:
mattwnz: Looks like TVNZ are also going to be making an announcement tomorrow about the future of their News... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/511018/tvnz-to-make-announcement-about-future-tomorrow-staff-told

Let me guess: Hey guys, soon we have less competition in the news arena and we don't need to cover so much ground to stay ahead ; ).

More like: "We lost a crap ton of money so need to reduce headcount."

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#3203862 6-Mar-2024 18:59

gzt:
mattwnz: Looks like TVNZ are also going to be making an announcement tomorrow about the future of their News... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/511018/tvnz-to-make-announcement-about-future-tomorrow-staff-told

Let me guess: Hey guys, soon we have less competition in the news arena and we don't need to cover so much ground to stay ahead ; ).

I wouldn't be surprised to see them drop the 6pm news down to 30 minutes now that they won't have another FTA 6pm TV news to compete with. They already got rid of the 7pm post news show where they used to interview politicians, and now just have a magazine style show. It has all become so dumbed down. It makes it easier for politicians if they don't have to appear on the prime time news programs to answer questions, like they did when Campbell Live or Holmes used to ask them the hard questions .

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#3203863 6-Mar-2024 19:02

Handle9:

More like: "We lost a crap ton of money so need to reduce headcount."

I understand advertisers aren't really spending as much at the moment, as people have cut back on spending. But the pay some of these hosts were getting seemed pretty high.

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#3203865 6-Mar-2024 19:07

mattwnz:
Handle9:

More like: "We lost a crap ton of money so need to reduce headcount."

I understand advertisers aren't really spending as much at the moment, as people have cut back on spending. But the pay some of these hosts were getting seemed pretty high.

Which salary seemed high and on what basis?

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#3203879 6-Mar-2024 19:20

Why does a country with a low population base have more state run channels than other countries with a much bigger population base? Take Australia for example. All they have is ABC, and in the US all they have is PBS. Yet here in New Zealand we have had two dominant state-run TV channels for many years (the other channels are niche and less important). Way back in the days of analogue, before TV3, there were two state runs channels. There was never any real room for TV3. If they had been serious about letting private enterprise into the television game, they would have sold the second channel to them. Even further back, around 1972 I think when there was just one channel, Gordon Dryden approached the government asking for a second, privately-run channel but they wouldn't have a bar of it. One state and one private would have been an awesome battle but I think every government has been reluctant to really let go of their dominant propaganda machine.

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#3203887 6-Mar-2024 19:58

RustyViewer:

Why does a country with a low population base have more state run channels than other countries with a much bigger population base? Take Australia for example. All they have is ABC, and in the US all they have is PBS. Yet here in New Zealand we have had two dominant state-run TV channels for many years (the other channels are niche and less important). Way back in the days of analogue, before TV3, there were two state runs channels. There was never any real room for TV3. If they had been serious about letting private enterprise into the television game, they would have sold the second channel to them. Even further back, around 1972 I think when there was just one channel, Gordon Dryden approached the government asking for a second, privately-run channel but they wouldn't have a bar of it. One state and one private would have been an awesome battle but I think every government has been reluctant to really let go of their dominant propaganda machine.

Cough, SBS, Cough.

PBS is an entirely different model and not directly comparable. It's also interesting that you didn't mention countries with more extensive public broadcasters like the UK.

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#3203910 6-Mar-2024 21:00

I have never understood why TVNZ has remained in state ownership considering that the commercial arm of Radio NZ was privatised back in the mid 90s. TVNZ is not a public service broadcaster, so government ownership does not benefit the content that they provide.

On the other hand, RNZ is a national treasure and I've never seen any evidence that government funding affects their impartiality. There is a widespread belief that their editorial position leans a bit to the left, but that's a natural consequence of NZME's talk station having a right wing bias.

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#3203979 7-Mar-2024 08:40

@alasta

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/tvnz-job-cuts-more-than-60-roles-to-go-6pm-news-current-affairs-shows-in-spotlight-media-insider/IY75EIIKRRDU3ASX6AB47C7KR4/?lid=uwixqkynsnp6&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=nzh_email&utm_campaign=Digi_Newsletter_Morning_Headlines&uuid=1ca93a7efe5e45fea07ebced723c0f15

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#3203987 7-Mar-2024 08:55

mattwnz:

gzt:
mattwnz: Looks like TVNZ are also going to be making an announcement tomorrow about the future of their News... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/511018/tvnz-to-make-announcement-about-future-tomorrow-staff-told

Let me guess: Hey guys, soon we have less competition in the news arena and we don't need to cover so much ground to stay ahead ; ).

I wouldn't be surprised to see them drop the 6pm news down to 30 minutes now that they won't have another FTA 6pm TV news to compete with. They already got rid of the 7pm post news show where they used to interview politicians, and now just have a magazine style show. It has all become so dumbed down. It makes it easier for politicians if they don't have to appear on the prime time news programs to answer questions, like they did when Campbell Live or Holmes used to ask them the hard questions .

The 6pm news could easily go down to 30 mins. After the first 15-20 mins it tends to be magazine type articles anyway and sport normally only has enough to fill 5 minutes.

The question is what do they fill the spare 30 minutes with?

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