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#3040484 22-Feb-2023 09:59

Auckland's traffic.

Just dropped my son off at school, because he had to carry something that wouldn't travel well by bus.

It's 5km away almost to the mm.

Round trip took an hour and a half.

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#3040488 22-Feb-2023 10:15

Yesterday our daughter drove from Birkenhead to Quay St. Took an hour just to get to the motorway, and another hour to reach her destination. She's apparently sticking to using buses.

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#3040491 22-Feb-2023 10:21

The traffic is worse because buses get cancelled. My kids would typically catch the bus to school (not a school bus), but over the last couple of weeks it gets cancelled almost every morning. The AT Mobile app Departures page for my local bus stop routinely shows more than half the scheduled routes in pink - "cancelled". Where do all the would-be passengers end up? In traffic.

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#3040509 22-Feb-2023 11:31

My commute in the morning takes about 55mins and up to 75mins in the evening. If I were to use public transport it would be 2hr 30mins each way involving two busses, two trains and a lot of walking. I will soon start a structure of 3 days in the office and 2 days from home so at least I will get a reprieve for two days a week.

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#3040514 22-Feb-2023 11:48

Being part of a traffic jam is indeed annoying.

But in my view nowhere near as annoying as one of the main contributing factors to them, the complete inability of authorities to provide (time)efficient, reliable and affordable public transport. This is being exacerbated by their insistence and persistence to pretty much eliminate cars. Can't speak for other centres but looking at you Metlink/LGWM/WCC/GWRC, you're a disgrace. (Did I mention a fare increase is imminent as well.)

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#3040515 22-Feb-2023 11:51

Stu: Yesterday our daughter drove from Birkenhead to Quay St. Took an hour just to get to the motorway, and another hour to reach her destination. She's apparently sticking to using buses.

Is the ferry an option for her? It's what I used to use and was SUPER quick. I have heard they cut services though so maybe it won't suit, but I couldn't recommend that more highly as a Birkenhead -> City option.

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#3040516 22-Feb-2023 11:55

Vodafone internet down in Wellington South. Anyone else?

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#3040517 22-Feb-2023 11:57

floydbloke:

Being part of a traffic jam is indeed annoying.

But in my view nowhere near as annoying as one of the main contributing factors to them, the complete inability of authorities to provide (time)efficient, reliable and affordable public transport. This is being exacerbated by their insistence and persistence to pretty much eliminate cars. Can't speak for other centres but looking at you Metlink/LGWM/WCC/GWRC, you're a disgrace. (Did a mention a fare increase is imminent as well.)

Its probably hard to get a frequent AND affordable option. If people gravitated to buses, then they should be affordable. IIRC the half price or free buses that was in play lately doesn't seem to have got a lot more patronage.

Maybe we just like cars? I don't work in the CBD anymore, but if I did, the nearby bus stop goes on a tiki tour, or I have to walk 20+ minutes to get the direct route. If they had all manner of routes that's great but inefficient. If they had lesser routes its inefficient for the patrons and not great for affordability

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#3040518 22-Feb-2023 11:59

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Stu: Yesterday our daughter drove from Birkenhead to Quay St. Took an hour just to get to the motorway, and another hour to reach her destination. She's apparently sticking to using buses.

Is the ferry an option for her? It's what I used to use and was SUPER quick. I have heard they cut services though so maybe it won't suit, but I couldn't recommend that more highly as a Birkenhead -> City option.

I'll make the suggestion, thanks.

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#3040519 22-Feb-2023 11:59

tdgeek:

Its probably hard to get a frequent AND affordable option. If people gravitated to buses, then they should be affordable. IIRC the half price or free buses that was in play lately doesn't seem to have got a lot more patronage.

Maybe we just like cars? I don't work in the CBD anymore, but if I did, the nearby bus stop goes on a tiki tour, or I have to walk 20+ minutes to get the direct route. If they had all manner of routes that's great but inefficient. If they had lesser routes its inefficient for the patrons and not great for affordability

I proposed making buses free ongoing, but the feedback around that was that on a 'normal' day there are more people than buses to carry them already, and the roads are clogged. Mass Transit options seem to be the only solution, but we have very few lines that only cover a small percentage of our largest city.

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#3040520 22-Feb-2023 12:09

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I proposed making buses free ongoing, but the feedback around that was that on a 'normal' day there are more people than buses to carry them already, and the roads are clogged. Mass Transit options seem to be the only solution, but we have very few lines that only cover a small percentage of our largest city.

Fair enough.

Related I was reading a Light Rail article the other day. That piece, possible an opinion piece only, suggested that LR should be replaced by a dedicated bus system. Due to much lower cost, and that the roads are there already (obviously mods would be needed) In short, if you add rail that takes room and time and COST. Modding a road network would be easier and quicker and cheaper. More importantly, you can shift a bus network, but LR, if the city grew in a different manner than forecast, the rail is of much lesser use.

Back to topic, free buses would be an excellent idea, you would probably need to tie that into car restrictions and/or car parking for bus transit, so that the clogged roads are only clogged to a certain point not the whole road network. Somehow you have to push people to buses, that the tricky bit

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#3040522 22-Feb-2023 12:14

tdgeek:
Related I was reading a Light Rail article the other day. That piece, possible an opinion piece only, suggested that LR should be replaced by a dedicated bus system. Due to much lower cost, and that the roads are there already (obviously mods would be needed) In short, if you add rail that takes room and time and COST. Modding a road network would be easier and quicker and cheaper. More importantly, you can shift a bus network, but LR, if the city grew in a different manner than forecast, the rail is of much lesser use.

Definitely an opinion piece. Look at pretty much any city in Europe of any size to see why most of that is bollocks, or at least a desperate scramble for any anti-rail argument they can find.

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#3040523 22-Feb-2023 12:24

neb: Definitely an opinion piece. Look at pretty much any city in Europe of any size to see why most of that is bollocks, or at least a desperate scramble for any anti-rail argument they can find.

ok :-)

Isn't the need to transport people from A-B-C-D? If you could cover a wide swathe with a bus network, can you do that with LR? I think of it as covered wagons carting people around, doesn't matter what the wagon is, they need to be handy and convenient and cheap.

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#3040524 22-Feb-2023 12:28

tdgeek:
Isn't the need to transport people from A-B-C-D? If you could cover a wide swathe with a bus network, can you do that with LR? I think of it as covered wagons carting people around, doesn't matter what the wagon is, they need to be handy and convenient and cheap.

It depends on whether by "light rail" they mean actual light rail, or trams, which is what the name has been misused here for. If it's trams then there's not much advantage over buses, if it's proper light rail on dedicated tracks then it's a no-brainer, no bus network can ever get close to the effectiveness of moving people around that way.

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#3040527 22-Feb-2023 12:34

neb: It depends on whether by "light rail" they mean actual light rail, or trams, which is what the name has been misused here for. If it's trams then there's not much advantage over buses, if it's proper light rail on dedicated tracks then it's a no-brainer, no bus network can ever get close to the effectiveness of moving people around that way.

I'm not anti LR, I'm just saying

What's the advantage of LR? There will be fewer tracks to road routes, so further for people to walk to a train stop. Both still need to stop for pickups and drop offs

If a bus system was dedicated, then not really a lot of difference in A to B?

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