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  #3040528 22-Feb-2023 12:43
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tdgeek:

What's the advantage of LR? There will be fewer tracks to road routes, so further for people to walk to a train stop. Both still need to stop for pickups and drop offs

 

If a bus system was dedicated, then not really a lot of difference in A to B?

 

 

Nothing can beat trains for volume of people moved and speed (don't use Auckland's sad rail system as an example of how this should work). To take an extreme example, the city of Tokyo moves three times the population of New Zealand every day by train. A (relatively) smaller city like Munich might be closer in scale to Auckland, they do about two million a day.

 

 

That's what Auckland, which has the biggest bus network in NZ, manages to move in six months. The two aren't even in the same league.

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  #3040529 22-Feb-2023 12:46
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neb: It depends on whether by "light rail" they mean actual light rail, or trams, which is what the name has been misused here for. If it's trams then there's not much advantage over buses, if it's proper light rail on dedicated tracks then it's a no-brainer, no bus network can ever get close to the effectiveness of moving people around that way.

 

I'm not anti LR, I'm just saying

 

What's the advantage of LR? There will be fewer tracks to road routes, so further for people to walk to a train stop. Both still need to stop for pickups and drop offs

 

If a bus system was dedicated, then not really a lot of difference in A to B? 

 

 

 

 

LR or Rail in general carries more people. So arterial rail and bus to Auxilary.


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  #3040531 22-Feb-2023 12:53
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The neighbour whistling allll of the time when outside, with headphones on. For years.

 

Not like a quiet whistling now and then, like at a good volume so you can hear it 1-2 houses down, nearly always to no tune, just random whistle sounds.

 

I have nothing against people doing the occasional whistle when they're happy, but like, come on, doing it for 3-4 hours each day is excessive no?

 

 

 

Anyway, that's my little annoying thing. I've lived in many rentals before, but this is by far the most annoying neighbour I've ever had.

 

 

 

We'd like to move, but finding a place of equal quality, within budget has been allusive. 


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  #3040533 22-Feb-2023 12:56
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tdgeek:

 

What's the advantage of LR? There will be fewer tracks to road routes, so further for people to walk to a train stop. Both still need to stop for pickups and drop offs

 

If a bus system was dedicated, then not really a lot of difference in A to B? 

 

 

One advantage is the ratio of drivers to passengers. One trained individual can convey a lot more people. I haven't studied it but I would imagine there are other advantages in terms of different efficiencies and reduced pollution. 

 

 





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  #3040534 22-Feb-2023 13:14
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Not that I'm not pro or anti LR, the article did make a lot of sense

 

Tokyo isn't a fair comparison, its a massive and densely populated city, in fact car ownership is more a liability than an asset, given that its dense upwardly living population. Off course it will be efficient and sensible

 

AKL is a small and spread out city. But I'm happy to be educated re LR. Given the LR network will be comparatively narrow compared to buses that go everywhere, is it fair to say that LR won't get a large swathe of commuters, but the decent chunk it will get is worthwhile? I imagine many would find it too far to get to, so would drive or bus?

 

Again, just asking 


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  #3040535 22-Feb-2023 13:15
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Rikkitic:

 

 

 

One advantage is the ratio of drivers to passengers. One trained individual can convey a lot more people. I haven't studied it but I would imagine there are other advantages in terms of different efficiencies and reduced pollution. 

 

 

 

 

Yes, great for bulk

 

Our buses should all be electric but we are slow on that AFAIK


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  #3040536 22-Feb-2023 13:17
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Rikkitic:

 

tdgeek:

 

What's the advantage of LR? There will be fewer tracks to road routes, so further for people to walk to a train stop. Both still need to stop for pickups and drop offs

 

If a bus system was dedicated, then not really a lot of difference in A to B? 

 

 

One advantage is the ratio of drivers to passengers. One trained individual can convey a lot more people. I haven't studied it but I would imagine there are other advantages in terms of different efficiencies and reduced pollution. 

 

 

 


And it takes a lot of buses off the roads.

 

Auckland proposed LR system, initally from the CBD to about Onehung down Dominion Road is currently one of the busiest bus routes, and those buses really clog up the CBD roads.

 

One LR train is, I think, equivalent to about 6 buses.

 

Taking most, if not all the Dominion Road buses off the roads frees up space to use some of them elsewhere (such as feeders into the LR).

 

Light Rail for Auckland may not be perfect, but its many times better than what we have now.

 

Unfortunately, I can't see it happening in my lifetime. It *should* have had spades in the ground by now - it was a Labour promise before the 2017 election, Winston delayed it, Labour got in with a majority in 2020 and still nothing has happened. National have promised to scrap it. 6 years wasted (and two of those years with hardly any traffic to disrupt if they had started it).

 

I voted Labour for the first time ever in 2020 on the promise they'd get it started (once started, much harder to stop). They've let me down.


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  #3040612 22-Feb-2023 18:05
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trig42:

 


And it takes a lot of buses off the roads.

 

Auckland proposed LR system, initally from the CBD to about Onehung down Dominion Road is currently one of the busiest bus routes, and those buses really clog up the CBD roads.

 

One LR train is, I think, equivalent to about 6 buses.

 

 

The issue isn't that there are too many buses. It's three-fold:

 

1) The drivers are underpaid for the market conditions. Pay them more, and you'll have no problem with driver recruitment and retnetion

 

2) The bus routes are mismanaged.

 

3) The clogging up of CBD can and should be resolved by the city rail link. Get off the bus and catch a rail link to whereever you need to go in the CBD.

 

"If you have a hammer every problem seems like a nail" is what comes to mind when I listen to LR proponents.

 

The thing is - we already have a LR model, it's the Northern Busway. You have a hub-and-spoke model with double-decker buses, except that the spokes don't work. There aren't enough carparks for park-and-ride, the spoke bus routes are terribly planned and offer almost no service to the sprawling new suburbs. They're also the first ones to get cancelled when there's driver shortage. So NX buses keep running, but there are fewer feeder services to bring passengers to them. At the same time, there aren't enough buses to service the nearer suburbs going direct to CBD, so buses look like sardine cans. Apply the same model to Dominion Road, LR or busway - you'll get the same outcomes.

 

 

 

 





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  #3040617 22-Feb-2023 19:04
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Could you folks take the LR discussion to its own thread in the he Transport sub-forum please and thank you.




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  #3040692 22-Feb-2023 21:02
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That every time there is over 12mm of rain in about 2 hours that the Street floods across. Then about 4+ hours later the CCC Contractor comes and puts Flooding signs out.

 

Takes them down up to 5 weeks after the flooding has gone!

 

Been happening for years. They know what the problems is, but don't have the budget to fix it! (No Cycleway involved)

 

But they do have the budget for a Contractor to look, then put signs out etc.

 

I said why don't they just put permanent signs which say "Possible Flooding When Wet" !!!

 

There are enough around that say "Slippery When Wet".

 

It's got to be cheaper!


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  #3040714 22-Feb-2023 22:36
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The labels on my 4Ah tool batteries, which I've only just noticed today:

 

 


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  #3040765 23-Feb-2023 09:46
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Microsoft! I open a file in PowerPoint, then click on File. "Good evening", it says to me, at 9:43 AM. I choose Save As, select Desktop, change the file type, and hit Save. It doesn't appear on the Desktop. Apparently when you change the file type it resets the location to its default.


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  #3040775 23-Feb-2023 10:28
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People who think it is cool to black out their headlights and tail lights making them both hard to see and super ineffective.





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  #3040778 23-Feb-2023 10:36
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michaelmurfy:

 

People who think it is cool to black out their headlights and tail lights making them both hard to see and super ineffective.

 

 

I didn't know that was a thing. Why would anyone do that unless they were up to something nefarious?

 

 





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  #3040781 23-Feb-2023 10:51
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michaelmurfy:

 

People who think it is cool to black out their headlights and tail lights making them both hard to see and super ineffective.

 

 

Obstructing your lights in any way is illegal I believe. I have seen people fined for having excessively dirty headlights back in our farming days!

 

Also, stupidly dangerous. I'd be *555 that.


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